movies

[pioneer98]

I think both are true--the state of the film industry is horrible, but "Cloud Atlas" was a tough sell.

I agree with that.

[go birds]

You mean the "bros behind the matrix" wasn't very convincing to the common movie goer?

[JL21]

You mean the "bros behind the matrix" wasn't very convincing to the common movie goer?

I think now it's the "bro and sis behind the Matrix".

[pioneer98]

But its not just about how well a movie like Cloud Atlas does at the box office. The Wachowskis even had a heckuva time even getting the movie made in the first place. Warner Brothers agreed to distribute it for $20 million. The rest of the money came from private investors. Movie studios don't want to take risks any more. They used to take more risks when they were still trying to grow. Now they have been able to grow the system enough that they can survive by turning out sequal after sequal, or formula film after formula film. Plus some kids' movies. Their best movies anymore seem to be kids' movies. I think that says a lot.

So, I have a movie idea where a half robot overlord is trying to quash a rebel uprising that consists of a few humans, some aliens, a guy in a 7 foot hair suit and a couple robots. The robots are the ones that provide comic relief. They are on the run most of the movie, but use a cosmic power only a few people know about blow up a giant man made moon that has a massive death ray on it. One character gets killed, but his ghost comes back at a key point in the movie to help. For the sequal, a key character is going to be a 900 year old alien who is 3 feet tall and talks funny.

Does this movie even get made today???

[Popeye_Card]

But its not just about how well a movie like Cloud Atlas does at the box office. The Wachowskis even had a heckuva time even getting the movie made in the first place. Warner Brothers agreed to distribute it for $20 million. The rest of the money came from private investors. Movie studios don't want to take risks any more. They used to take more risks when they were still trying to grow. Now they have been able to grow the system enough that they can survive by turning out sequal after sequal, or formula film after formula film. Plus some kids' movies. Their best movies anymore seem to be kids' movies. I think that says a lot.

So, I have a movie idea where a half robot overlord is trying to quash a rebel uprising that consists of a few humans, some aliens, a guy in a 7 foot hair suit and a couple robots. The robots are the ones that provide comic relief. They are on the run most of the movie, but use a cosmic power only a few people know about blow up a giant man made moon that has a massive death ray on it. One character gets killed, but his ghost comes back at a key point in the movie to help. For the sequal, a key character is going to be a 900 year old alien who is 3 feet tall and talks funny.

Does this movie even get made today???

I think you just highlighted how [expletive] the plot of Star Wars movies are, and the only reason why they were remotely successful was because of mass marketing.

Yes, those types of movies still get made today. They just have different [expletive] plot lines, and equally [expletive] sequels.

[JL21]

That's a fair point and I think you're absolutely right, especially as it pertains to the big six studios.

I do, however, have faith that talent will always find a way to be seen. For every Universal or Warner Brothers, there are a lot of very reputable indie studios that absolutely will give movies like that a chance. If you've got an AFI Top 100-type concept, someone will give you a chance to make it- even a large studio.

It's sort of cyclical, too. The big six studios have always been around. Their ideas grow stale, and then they have to take risks on the unknown to shake things up. That's how Star Wars was made in the first place, along with The Godfather, Taxi Driver, and a slew of other amazing 70s films- people were sick of the same damned John Wayne movies being made again and again. Then it grew stale again until Miramax helped spark the 90s indie revolution.

[The Third Man]

I found a film on Netflix Instant titled Nude for Satan. Needless to say, I'm watching it as we speak.

[pioneer98]

That's a fair point and I think you're absolutely right, especially as it pertains to the big six studios.

I do, however, have faith that talent will always find a way to be seen. For every Universal or Warner Brothers, there are a lot of very reputable indie studios that absolutely will give movies like that a chance. If you've got an AFI Top 100-type concept, someone will give you a chance to make it- even a large studio.

It's sort of cyclical, too. The big six studios have always been around. Their ideas grow stale, and then they have to take risks on the unknown to shake things up. That's how Star Wars was made in the first place, along with The Godfather, Taxi Driver, and a slew of other amazing 70s films- people were sick of the same damned John Wayne movies being made again and again. Then it grew stale again until Miramax helped spark the 90s indie revolution.

That's a good point - we've been through times like this before. I hope that's all it is, and this shift we are seeing is not something more permanent.

[pioneer98]

But its not just about how well a movie like Cloud Atlas does at the box office. The Wachowskis even had a heckuva time even getting the movie made in the first place. Warner Brothers agreed to distribute it for $20 million. The rest of the money came from private investors. Movie studios don't want to take risks any more. They used to take more risks when they were still trying to grow. Now they have been able to grow the system enough that they can survive by turning out sequal after sequal, or formula film after formula film. Plus some kids' movies. Their best movies anymore seem to be kids' movies. I think that says a lot.

So, I have a movie idea where a half robot overlord is trying to quash a rebel uprising that consists of a few humans, some aliens, a guy in a 7 foot hair suit and a couple robots. The robots are the ones that provide comic relief. They are on the run most of the movie, but use a cosmic power only a few people know about blow up a giant man made moon that has a massive death ray on it. One character gets killed, but his ghost comes back at a key point in the movie to help. For the sequal, a key character is going to be a 900 year old alien who is 3 feet tall and talks funny.

Does this movie even get made today???

I think you just highlighted how [expletive] the plot of Star Wars movies are, and the only reason why they were remotely successful was because of mass marketing.

Yes, those types of movies still get made today. They just have different [expletive] plot lines, and equally [expletive] sequels.

Well, yes and no. Many of the big blockbusters that get mass-marketed today are superhero movies, or maybe things like Transformer movies, etc. The difference between these and Star Wars is that tons of people knew who Batman or Optimus Prime were loooong before they ever spent a dime in producing the movies. No one had a clue who Darth Vader was before Star Wars was made. For the most part, the big blockbusters of today are just stories mined from something else that has already been done (comic books, video games, TV shows, etc). Maybe it's always been like this and I'm just noticing it more as I get older and see the same things over and over.

[Popeye_Card]

But its not just about how well a movie like Cloud Atlas does at the box office. The Wachowskis even had a heckuva time even getting the movie made in the first place. Warner Brothers agreed to distribute it for $20 million. The rest of the money came from private investors. Movie studios don't want to take risks any more. They used to take more risks when they were still trying to grow. Now they have been able to grow the system enough that they can survive by turning out sequal after sequal, or formula film after formula film. Plus some kids' movies. Their best movies anymore seem to be kids' movies. I think that says a lot.

So, I have a movie idea where a half robot overlord is trying to quash a rebel uprising that consists of a few humans, some aliens, a guy in a 7 foot hair suit and a couple robots. The robots are the ones that provide comic relief. They are on the run most of the movie, but use a cosmic power only a few people know about blow up a giant man made moon that has a massive death ray on it. One character gets killed, but his ghost comes back at a key point in the movie to help. For the sequal, a key character is going to be a 900 year old alien who is 3 feet tall and talks funny.

Does this movie even get made today???

I think you just highlighted how [expletive] the plot of Star Wars movies are, and the only reason why they were remotely successful was because of mass marketing.

Yes, those types of movies still get made today. They just have different [expletive] plot lines, and equally [expletive] sequels.

Well, yes and no. Many of the big blockbusters that get mass-marketed today are superhero movies, or maybe things like Transformer movies, etc. The difference between these and Star Wars is that tons of people knew who Batman or Optimus Prime were loooong before they ever spent a dime in producing the movies. No one had a clue who Darth Vader was before Star Wars was made. For the most part, the big blockbusters of today are just stories mined from something else that has already been done (comic books, video games, TV shows, etc). Maybe it's always been like this and I'm just noticing it more as I get older and see the same things over and over.

The Matrix is probably a good, more recent comp for Star Wars. Equally important in regards to their place in the evolution of special effects. Both had a really stupid plot which no one was familiar with going in. Main differences were that Star Wars resonated more with children, who continued to support the franchise after they grew up. And people realized how [expletive] stupid the Matrix was when the even [expletive] sequels came out.