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Cole Burns wrote:Third Man, I agree with you on Die Hard, but disagree on Total Recall. I've not watched it in over 10 years because of the campiness. I feel it detracts from the movie. And TDK has it's own problems, other than the premise. Nolan's novice role as an action director is showing (he openly admitted to taking it on as a primer for doing Inception) and dissection of the action scenes does not hold up. As a story, it's great. As an action movie, it's questionable. As a comic book, it's logical (as a comic book can get).).
Fair enough. Total Recall deals with interesting enough ideas to be turned off by the tone with which it treats them, assuming camp isn't your thing. My own tastes are pretty malleable (not claiming that makes them better) - which isn't to say that I'm without preferences, just that I can usually take things at face value and find some virtues. Total Recall is about as good a campy sci-fi action film I've seen, so I dig it.

I'm with you on Nolan's action sequences. Inception was a step in the right direction, but still marred by a sterility that made it feel at times like watching an especially well-produced video-game cutscene - lacking a distinctive perspective or stylistic flair, and suffering dramatically as a result. Of course, that's a valid aesthetic in its own right, but I don't think it really jibes with an action blockbuster. He's a poor fascimile of Mann, his biggest influence, in that regard. Mann, for all his adherence to detail and professionalism (both in the characters he portrays and the manner in which he portrays them), has always made his action scenes sexy and pulse-raising - the street shootout in Heat, the club scene in Collateral, et al. Nolan only accomplishes that sporadically. What he is good at are characterization, story, editing - and at exploring his themes through those means.
Cole Burns wrote:I'm turned off completely by all the reboots lately. I won't go see the new Spiderman, and not just because I watched the 25 minute version online and was unimpressed. Prometheus nearly falls in that same trap, and movies like Dark Shadows and 21 Jump Street are plain disrespectful to my childhood (I'm exaggerating, of course, but they don't meet my expectations of a reboot or even an homage).
I don't know that Hollywood is any better or worse these days about reviving established stories/properties; they're just more naked about it. Which is kind of a turnoff, granted, reeking of a contempt for mass audience: "You're gonna see this garbage anyway, so here's another Smurfs movie!" Oh well, comes with the territory. It does kind of suck being a snob about the artform most beholden to the bottom line.

I will jump to the defense of Prometheus, however. Whether you like it or not is one thing, but, in my opinion, it explores themes and ideas worth exploring as opposed to simply trading on Alien's good name. It even comments intelligently on its influences (Alien, Blade Runner, 2001 - the holy trinity of sci-fi films - being the most obvious), and I saw it referred to on another forum as "a Rosetta stone for understanding Scott's work." I wouldn't go that far, but I understand the perspective. Really, it's just a miracle after the abhorrent Alien: Resurrection/Alien vs. Predator films that we got a new entry in the "series" that's actually stemmed thoughtful debate and criticism. Makes me even more intrigued for the once-unthinkable prospect of a Blade Runner "sequel" (or prequel, or in-universe story, or whatever the hell it's supposed to be) that Scott is working on.

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We went to see Spiderman tonight and had a blast. Thought it was very well done.

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Radbird wrote:We went to see Spiderman tonight and had a blast. Thought it was very well done.
Overall, yes I agree it was done rather well. I thought Garfield and Stone had more chemistry than Maguire and Dunst. The only downside was that, as mentioned in that Deadspin article Cole linked to, it's too soon to do a complete rehash.

It's been right at 10 years since the first Spider-Man came out, and only five years since the comically bad Spider-Man 3 (I still have nightmares about that dance scene). That's not nearly enough time to completely start a series over from the very beginning. Yeah there are slight differences in the stories and such, but Peter still gets bitten by a radioactive spider, his Uncle Ben still gets murdered, and he still has to learn how to use his new powers.

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In the comics Peter doesn't meet EITHER Gwen or Mary Jane until they attend college @ Empire State University. His first girlfriend is actually Betty from the Daily Bugle, not Gwen or Mary Jane. Gwen's father is actually killed by Dr. Octopus, not the Lizard.

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I'm surprised they chose to retell the origin story. For a film that already had the "what is the point of this?" problem, retelling the origin story just makes it worse.

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Taylor Kitsch has yet another bomb-to-be coming out.

http://deadspin.com/5923644/babes-bulle ... s-reviewed

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It's a year old, but here's an entertainingly bitter, angry GQ article about the decline of Hollywood that traces our current comic-book movie world to "Top Gun".

http://www.gq.com/entertainment/movies- ... table=true

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And here's an article at Salon on basically the same subject, which also posits that there's an untapped market of adults out there that don't want to go to comic book movies and are seeing stuff like "Magic Mike" instead.

http://www.salon.com/2012/07/07/does_ho ... te_adults/

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Finally saw Drive last night. I loved it but it owes a heavy, heavy debt to Michael Mann's "Thief." Similar characters, stories, vibe, even similar soundtracks.

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ghostrunner wrote:Finally saw Drive last night. I loved it but it owes a heavy, heavy debt to Michael Mann's "Thief." Similar characters, stories, vibe, even similar soundtracks.
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ghostrunner wrote:Finally saw Drive last night. I loved it but it owes a heavy, heavy debt to Michael Mann's "Thief." Similar characters, stories, vibe, even similar soundtracks.
I finally watched it last week. How great is that soundtrack? I can't stop listening to it.

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