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JL21 wrote:This was posted last week, and some of these True Detective theories are way the hell out there, but they nailed 2 or 3 of them:

http://gothamist.com/2014/02/27/true_de ... hp#photo-1
The Yellow King is a play where people who watch the second half go mad. I'm not going mad, but I did not sleep well last night. McConaughey's intensity and the score are hypnotic to me and I got more and more tense last night to the point where
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when the lawn mower with the Parrish contract got the close up where you could see his scars and his deranged line after the detectives drive away where he says, "Mah family been here a laawng time"
I just couldn't shake it all night. Did not sleep well. If I ever wander into a couer du mardi gras or whatever they called that redneck mardi gras stuff, I might have a panic attack.

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JL21 wrote:This was posted last week, and some of these True Detective theories are way the hell out there, but they nailed 2 or 3 of them:

http://gothamist.com/2014/02/27/true_de ... hp#photo-1
The class pic and the likeness to characters is creepy. No way that is a coincidence.

Saw this Tuttle family tree:
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True Detective ep. 7:
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Marty seeing a cooked baby in a microwave may be the most disturbing thing I've ever seen on TV. In fact, [expletive] it. It IS, without a doubt, the most disturbing thing I've ever seen on TV.
stlouie_lipp wrote:Saw this Tuttle family tree:
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That is extremely helpful.

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ghostrunner wrote:Loved it. Curious what they're going to do with Gillian Anserson'a character. They're dropping a lot of hints.
Didn't Hannibal have a younger sister (who was killed for food and Hannibal unknowingly ate) that was blonde haired and would be about Gillian's age?

Anyway, Friday night's episode was beyond stupid, and this is why:
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All last season, everyone in the Behavioral Science Unit (ie, not some evidence collecting squad) had diagnosed Will as the exact opposite of a psychopath. He was so empathetic that he could feel/understand what serial killers were thinking. Perhaps that's not the exact opposite of a psychopath, but it's pretty damn close as psychopaths have no feelings. So......yeah, now they're just going to turn 180 degrees and believe he is a psychopathic serial killer? Beyond stupid.

Further, as Will says, he's not a brilliant psychopath like the Chesapeake ripper is. This is beyond obvious. He can barely keep his thoughts together, let alone plan years in advance of killing without pattern, counter-forensic, etc. Brilliant psychopaths can and would almost undoubtedly plant evidence which would lead to a suspect....oh....wait....we're talking real life [expletive] now, not some fairy tale stupid made up plot line. If there was one person you'd be suspicious of in that inner circle of characters, of course its Hannibal because he is the only one that fits the 'brilliant' description.

Also, now that I'm all pissed off about it, might as wlel mention how beyond belief it is that no one asks 'hey Hannibal, who is your butcher where you get sheep lungs and intestines and chicken livers and camel tongues and all this exotic stuff? Oh, you get it at some shop that doesn't exist? Huh...that's [expletive] weird. Well, if you don't get it from there, where do you get it? Oh, btw, you've been accused of being the cheapeake ripper who happens to take organs that are never found. Huh, tough dots to connect here.'
Outside all the unbelievability, it was pretty entertaining.

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I'm about halfway through season one of Hannibal. It's really well acted and has a pretty cool visual style, but the writing and plot holes are pretty ridiculous. It's like a slightly smarter Dexter. Not sure if I'm going to give it much more of a look. I'm amazed that it airs on network TV given some of the violence.

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AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:
ghostrunner wrote:Loved it. Curious what they're going to do with Gillian Anserson'a character. They're dropping a lot of hints.
Didn't Hannibal have a younger sister (who was killed for food and Hannibal unknowingly ate) that was blonde haired and would be about Gillian's age?

Anyway, Friday night's episode was beyond stupid, and this is why:
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All last season, everyone in the Behavioral Science Unit (ie, not some evidence collecting squad) had diagnosed Will as the exact opposite of a psychopath. He was so empathetic that he could feel/understand what serial killers were thinking. Perhaps that's not the exact opposite of a psychopath, but it's pretty damn close as psychopaths have no feelings. So......yeah, now they're just going to turn 180 degrees and believe he is a psychopathic serial killer? Beyond stupid.

Further, as Will says, he's not a brilliant psychopath like the Chesapeake ripper is. This is beyond obvious. He can barely keep his thoughts together, let alone plan years in advance of killing without pattern, counter-forensic, etc. Brilliant psychopaths can and would almost undoubtedly plant evidence which would lead to a suspect....oh....wait....we're talking real life [expletive] now, not some fairy tale stupid made up plot line. If there was one person you'd be suspicious of in that inner circle of characters, of course its Hannibal because he is the only one that fits the 'brilliant' description.

Also, now that I'm all pissed off about it, might as wlel mention how beyond belief it is that no one asks 'hey Hannibal, who is your butcher where you get sheep lungs and intestines and chicken livers and camel tongues and all this exotic stuff? Oh, you get it at some shop that doesn't exist? Huh...that's [expletive] weird. Well, if you don't get it from there, where do you get it? Oh, btw, you've been accused of being the cheapeake ripper who happens to take organs that are never found. Huh, tough dots to connect here.'
Outside all the unbelievability, it was pretty entertaining.
I admit it's full of plotholes. None of that's really bothered me on this show though. Having said that, most of the meat he's using isn't that exotic so I don't know why there'd be any flags there. The rarest thing he served was Jamon Iberico which is a $1000 cut of meat and obviously not a person. Other non-person meat has been mixed in there as we'll. So he's getting that meat somewhere. Lungs, heart, tongue, can be bought at any butcher if requested. Apart from that, he's not even on anyone's radar as a suspect until Will points to him. As far as anyone knows he's a respected shrink who likes to cook. His brilliance really hasn't been in evidence. He basically pretends to screw up and miss all the signals about what everyone thinks has happened to Will.
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Regarding Will specifically, they've been hinting that he's unstable the whole time as well as the idea that he might be capable of actual violence. Freddie Lounds and Chilton both imply he's not so far removed from the people he's empathizing with. The FBI team would take more convincing, but then he also shot the killer in episode 1 and admitted to liking it, he shot Gideon, said a couple memorably creepy things in the lab, and he found himself straddled over a murder victim covered in blood and then later coughed up an ear. Never mind the load of evidence planted on him and his house. There's really no reason to look at anyone else from a law enforcement perspective. The only person I have an issue with believing it is Jack, but the he's surrounded by Hannibal and Alana who think Will is mentally ill, and the investigative team who are buying the evidence presumably.

There are all sorts of logistical issues on the show - how do people fly so easily and quickly between Minnesota and Baltimore? How does a mentally ill girl get from Delaware to Virginia to Baltimore when she can't see faces and looks like a zombie? Where is everyone else in the hospital when the dr is killed? The show pretty much willfully ignores practical matters though and half the time seems to occur in a isolated dream state, which is fully intentional I think. Particularly as it relates to Hannibal. Check out the time he has drinks over at his psychiatrist's house. The very next scene is Will walking into Hannibal's own office as if he was having drinks with someone there. There was a theory for a while that she might not even be real.

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Thought last night's True Detective was the best yet, mostly due to Marty feeling like a real person for a change.

I didn't understand what Rust said to Maggie. "It never sat right....you asking me to lie to you about him." Pretty sure that's the exact quote. Or really what he had to be pissed at her about. She used him, but given the circumstances it didn't seem that unreasonable.

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ghostrunner wrote:Thought last night's True Detective was the best yet, mostly due to Marty feeling like a real person for a change.

I didn't understand what Rust said to Maggie. "It never sat right....you asking me to lie to you about him." Pretty sure that's the exact quote. Or really what he had to be pissed at her about. She used him, but given the circumstances it didn't seem that unreasonable.
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I think maggie is somewhat involved in the cult and rust knows. I believe she slept with rust because she knew it would tear him and marty apart and ultimately lead to a complete disintegration of the investigation.
I also think rust and marty will die in the last episode.

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I've been thinking Rust may kill himself (or maybe give himself up to save Marty). After he shines the spotlight on the cult he will have paid his "debt" as he calls it. That and this line from Sunday: "My life's been a circle of violence and degradation, as long as I can remember. I'm ready to tie it off.")

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ghostrunner wrote:
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Regarding Will specifically, they've been hinting that he's unstablethis is the main point: unstable does not a killer make, even though they conveniently ignore that and the FBI wouldn't the whole time as well as the idea that he might be capable of actual violence. Freddie Lounds and Chilton both imply he's not so far removed from the people he's empathizing with. Lounds is irrelevant and Chilton is being investigated. Their opinions are worthless to Jack/everyone on the showThe FBI team would take more convincingnot really, since Jack's done with him and he's rotting away in a jail cell, but then he also shot the killer in episode 1and saved his daughter's life and admitted to liking it, he shot Gideonand saved Bloom's life, said a couple memorably creepy things in the labbecause he's a weirdo which is not the same as a killer, and he found himself straddled over a murder victim covered in bloodthe first victim of the girl losing her skin? he was there for work because the FBI asked him to be there because they know how he works and trust his methods...up until the point he's accused of being a killer, at which point they forget all that and then later coughed up an ear.good point Never mind the load of evidence planted on him and his house.Yeah, again, the crux of the argument, he's not a freaking killer and they should see that the real killer whom they've been chasing for years is clever enough to plant evidence. There's really no reason to look at anyone else from a law enforcement perspective.Right, the FBI is not your local PD The only person I have an issue with believing it is Jack, but the he's surrounded by Hannibal and Alana who think Will is mentally ill, and the investigative team who are buying the evidence presumably. Okay, just had to get that off my chest! Ahhhhhh. This was not written in anger or malice despite my tone. ;) Your points are well taken though, there are a lot bigger plotholes than this one, logistically, but the psychology side of this is driving me crazy.
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