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Re: Johnny "the Kicker" Cueto
Posted: December 9 15, 3:41 pm
by BW23
GeddyWrox wrote:
From the article:
Cueto's agent says, "He’s the best pitcher of our era in the NL Central."
I know he's the agent and they are paid to put spin on it, but... REALLY?
Has he even been the best SP in the Central? Maybe one year.
Somewhere Kershaw is cracking up.
Re: Johnny "the Kicker" Cueto
Posted: December 9 15, 3:46 pm
by jagtrader
Cardinals fans are like ex-spouses when it comes to this stuff.
Re: Johnny "the Kicker" Cueto
Posted: December 9 15, 4:00 pm
by Spider John
Obligatory "we hated Will Clark until he became a Card" post.
Re: Johnny "the Kicker" Cueto
Posted: December 9 15, 4:09 pm
by Magneto2.0
BW23 wrote:GeddyWrox wrote:
From the article:
Cueto's agent says, "He’s the best pitcher of our era in the NL Central."
I know he's the agent and they are paid to put spin on it, but... REALLY?
Has he even been the best SP in the Central? Maybe one year.
Somewhere Kershaw is cracking up.
Since 2008-2014
Adam Wainwright
ERA 2.87, FIP 2.98, xFIP 3.23 in 1262 innings pitched
Johnny Cueto
ERA 3.27, FIP 3.87, xFIP 3.86 in 1208 innings pitched
Re: Johnny "the Kicker" Cueto
Posted: December 9 15, 4:15 pm
by jim
There are so many freaking stats out there I give. But I know ERA doesn't factor in park. I don't think Cueto has been as good as Waino, but I'll bet he hasn't been that far off.
I kind of want Johnny Cueto if he is healthy. I'm actually going to try to find time to watch some of his KC starts to see if there were any red alarms. Velocity was there, results weren't. Hurt? Fluke?
Will Clark is an interesting comp.
Re: Johnny "the Kicker" Cueto
Posted: December 9 15, 4:24 pm
by Magneto2.0
jim wrote:There are so many freaking stats out there I give. But I know ERA doesn't factor in park. I don't think Cueto has been as good as Waino, but I'll bet he hasn't been that far off.
I kind of want Johnny Cueto if he is healthy. I'm actually going to try to find time to watch some of his KC starts to see if there were any red alarms. Velocity was there, results weren't. Hurt? Fluke?
Will Clark is an interesting comp.
Nah it's kinda far off. lol
Adjusted ERA from 2008-2014, Wainwright is 159, Cueto is at 129.
Re: Johnny "the Kicker" Cueto
Posted: December 9 15, 4:41 pm
by jim
He's pretty good if he's healthy.
Re: Johnny "the Kicker" Cueto
Posted: December 9 15, 4:47 pm
by fanforever
If the Cardinals were serious about signing a free agent quality pitcher they would be pro-active on Cueto
Re: Johnny "the Kicker" Cueto
Posted: December 9 15, 4:54 pm
by Fat Strat
Magneto2.0 wrote:Nah it's kinda far off. lol
Adjusted ERA from 2008-2014, Wainwright is 159, Cueto is at 129.
Is it really fair to Cueto to go back to 2008? That's AW's prime vs. Cuetos' first few seasons as a kid. Run those again since 2011 and it's going to be closer. FIP still doesn't like him, but his ERA is consistently better, so I take that as a flaw with the way FIP interprets his pitching style.
Anyway, Cueto is good. He's one of the better pitchers in baseball. The only one arguing that he's better than AW is the agent.
Re: Johnny "the Kicker" Cueto
Posted: December 9 15, 4:55 pm
by Spider John
From Cueto's agent:
Dixon went on to explain that the circumstances of the brawl were complicated. Cueto was pushed up against the screen and, feeling trapped, he made a split-second reaction that he deeply regrets. For a time, the fight may have defined him as someone who is angry or violent, but those who work with and around Cueto, he says, can attest to his mellow character and positive attitude. Ultimately, Dixon can see the Cardinals being a great landing spot for his client.
“Johnny’s best friend is Brayan Pena (Pena signed a two-year deal with St. Louis this winter). Johnny would love to pitch to him and a catcher like [Yadier] Molina, so I think it would be a good fit. Whether the Cardinals step up with the necessary resources, that remains to be seen. But he has no problem towards the Cardinals and the manager of that [2010 Cardinals] team [Tony La Russa] is with the Diamondbacks organization now. He came down and met Johnny and they had no problem. It’s in the past. It’s unfortunate that it happened, but, on our side, we’ve moved on,” said Dixon.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/st-louis-cardinals