Dark Knight

[clement]

Let's make things clear for a second. 300 was total garbage.

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The Dark Knight was awesome. Maybe if you wait for the DVD you can put on the french subtitles or something and like it more.

lol... You all know me too well.

[phins]

Why on earth can't people just go see a movie alone?

Bingo.

It's not like seeing a movie is something that requires social interaction. In fact, it's discouraged. If you're talking during a movie, you're a turd.

All true. I used to go by myself all the time, and just saw Batman alone. My wife can't handle horror/violence anymore.

I must be the person who is most likely to win the award for: Most likely to have been raised by societal norms on this board.

Couldn't imagine going and seeing a movie alone, maybe just because I would feel weird if people were looking at me all horrified, like I couldn't get a date or something.

I'm way too worried about what people actually think about me, I'll admit.

[obucard]

Why on earth can't people just go see a movie alone?

Bingo.

It's not like seeing a movie is something that requires social interaction. In fact, it's discouraged. If you're talking during a movie, you're a turd.

All true. I used to go by myself all the time, and just saw Batman alone. My wife can't handle horror/violence anymore.

I must be the person who is most likely to win the award for: Most likely to have been raised by societal norms on this board.

Couldn't imagine going and seeing a movie alone, maybe just because I would feel weird if people were looking at me all horrified, like I couldn't get a date or something.

I'm way too worried about what people actually think about me, I'll admit.

More so than me, which is saying something. In my experience, people tend to ignore others in a movie theater, preferring to focus on the movie. The only ones that get any attention are those that distract people from watching.

[OmahaCard79]

I loved The Dark Knight. I truly hope that Nolan, Bale, Freeman, etc. all come back for one more and finish out a true trilogy before Warners lets some other hack director get his hands on it and send it down the road of stupidity like they did with Schumaker. This saga deserves to have all of the actors and creators to finish it off the right way. I don't think I'll be satisfied if this ends up as only a 2 movie thing before The Rock replaces Christian Bale to take on Mr. Freeze again. ughh.

With that being said, I just don't know what they could possibly do to top this for a 3rd movie. This movie was so epic and had so many incredibly tense situations that I see no way that they could create that kind of all-encompassing dread again. Who could the villians possibly be? This is all I could come up with...

Scarecrow: Unless something happens to change his character and make him more menacing, I don’t see it. He was just a pawn in BB and had been reduced to a...

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common drug dealer

in TDK.

Rhas Al Ghul: In the comics he is basically immortal. That wouldn’t fit with the Nolanverse, but the line from BB from Rhas himself saying “but is rhas al ghul immortal and are his methods supernatural?” seems to stick with me. We never did see a body on him. It is still a comic book movie. I could see him returning.

Joker: It would be tough to recast, but it’s going to be just as tough to have a 3rd movie without him. They couldn’t keep him locked up in TDK, but we may have to believe that he’s totally defeated and locked up in a 3rd movie if he’s not in it.

Penguin: Nolan has said he doesn’t like the character and we’ve had a ton of mob bosses in the first 2 movies already.

Riddler: Possible. However, it could be too close to the joker. I am still leaning towards this one depending on how they develop the character. Think more like the movie seven rather than jim carrey.

Catwoman: Nolan has also said he doesn’t like her character. Also, I don’t think that a diamond thief that dresses up like a cat would create the sense of city in peril dread that both of the last two movies had.

Two-Face: The common fan-boy theory is that this character...

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is not dead. However, the only way that works is if the memorial scene at the end of TDK is some sort of movie trick like in the bourne supremacy where the end of the 2nd movie is actually the end of the 3rd movie. Maybe if Dent did survive, goes on a crime spree in the 3rd movie, but somehow redeems himself by the end and saves the city, then that memorial service could work. I don't know, just speculating. I don't see it happening though.

Anyone else have any thoughts on the future of this franchise? I'm not a huge reader of the comics. Is there another interesting but lesser known character floating around out there?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Two-Face: The common fan-boy theory is that this character...

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is not dead. However, the only way that works is if the memorial scene at the end of TDK is some sort of movie trick like in the bourne supremacy where the end of the 2nd movie is actually the end of the 3rd movie. Maybe if Dent did survive, goes on a crime spree in the 3rd movie, but somehow redeems himself by the end and saves the city, then that memorial service could work. I don't know, just speculating. I don't see it happening though.

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The memorial service would have happened whether or not Dent actually died. Even if he's not dead, Gordon and friends can't let it be known that Dent killed cops and see the how disfigured he's become. He was the beacon of hope for a crime-free Gotham, and it's why his crimes are pinned on Batman and the cops start hunting Batman at the end of the movie. It's easily conceivable that Dent survived that fall(Batman ran away from it), and they keep him in Arkham(typical for Batman villains) to hide him from the public, holding a memorial service to try and galvanize the city in his absence.

[OmahaCard79]

Two-Face: The common fan-boy theory is that this character...

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is not dead. However, the only way that works is if the memorial scene at the end of TDK is some sort of movie trick like in the bourne supremacy where the end of the 2nd movie is actually the end of the 3rd movie. Maybe if Dent did survive, goes on a crime spree in the 3rd movie, but somehow redeems himself by the end and saves the city, then that memorial service could work. I don't know, just speculating. I don't see it happening though.

[SHOW]

The memorial service would have happened whether or not Dent actually died. Even if he's not dead, Gordon and friends can't let it be known that Dent killed cops and see the how disfigured he's become. He was the beacon of hope for a crime-free Gotham, and it's why his crimes are pinned on Batman and the cops start hunting Batman at the end of the movie. It's easily conceivable that Dent survived that fall(Batman ran away from it), and they keep him in Arkham(typical for Batman villains) to hide him from the public, holding a memorial service to try and galvanize the city in his absence.

very good points. So, would that then be your vote for the main villain in #3? Would they need a secondary villain and if so, who would that be?

[ghostrunner]

I don't think Two Face is a very interesting villain. I was glad he seemed to have been killed in this one as a supporting player.

I thought somebody said the Riddler was the likely next choice. Seems like the best choice, and I don't think he really has to be that similar to the Joker. I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see a stitch of question mark clothing.

I do find Catwoman interesting, aside from the more obvious qualities, but she's not really a good nemesis type. More of a side story. Sometimes a help, sometimes a hindrance. And after the Joker - I mean all she does is steal things.

Poison Ivy is thematically interesting, but a little too fantastical for the world they've established.

[BenNX74205]

Personally my vote goes to Catwoman/Selina Kyle, because I think there's a lot of material to mine dramatically from having her as the main villain/love interest, especially since...

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Rachel Dawes is dead.

As for possible Bat-Villians, here is a listing of many of the villiains that comprise Batman's Rogues Gallery (who have yet to appear in the new movies), with some thoughts appended:

Bane: a good Bane storyline like the one used in Batman Beyond could be an interesting side story, but I don't know if he can carry a movie by himself
Catwoman: Nolan doesn't like her, but I think she could be adapted to fit this Batverse, and provide a lot of good theater.
Mr Freeze: the backstory is great for Freeze (see the Batman The Animated Series episode "Heart of Ice" (which won an Emmy) to see why), but having things like "freeze rays" might be pushing the technology aspect too far for this set of movies. He would make a great villain IMO
Penguin: I don't know if he's as adaptable as Catwoman, and the newer takes on him are more of a "criminal mastermind" which fits in with BB and DK, but it doesn't really differentiate itself enough to be a main villain like Joker.
Poison Ivy: can't see that ever happening
Riddler: if they tone him down a bit, the idea of a hyperintelligent foe for Batman fits very well into these movies IMO. The focus has never been on over the top fight sequences, but rather outthinking the opponent with some great action sequences for good measure.
Clayface: can't see it working
Deadshot: great candidate for at least minor villain status, except for the fact that this Batman already defeated him, as depicted in Batman: Gotham Knight, the animated DVD release of six interwoven stories about Batman that are designed to take place between BB and DK. So I'd say he's out
Killer Croc: appeared briefly in Gotham Knight, and is basically a giant man-croc. Don't see that happening
Scarface/The Ventriloquist: He's pretty awesome, but I don't know if it would have the same impact over the course of a 2.5 hour movie to have the main villain be a wooden puppet. He worked well in the Animated Series, but 20 minute animated television episodes are a bit different...

If they want to go for the gold and get another villain that can hold the city hostage, and provide some great drama for the villain as well as Batman, then I'd vote for Mr. Freeze. Great backstory, and could threaten all of Gotham in a way that could allow for Batman's redemption in the eyes of the public.

[JCShutout]

I don't know if Mr. Freeze would really be a very strong villan... maybe I'm just stuck on the character's name, and Arnold's interpretation.

[OmahaCard79]

I don't think Mr. Freeze would work all that well for this type of semi-realistic universe. Of course, my only experiences with the character are from the 60's tv show, Batman and Robin, and the animated series. In what way would you see the character presented as to be believable in a movie such as these?

Personally, I think the Riddler would be my own choice. I would have him holding the city hostage and leaving clues everywhere. He'd be leaving clues and letters in the city in an almost zodiac sort of way. I think that has some serious potential.

I don't know much about him, but I did just read a profile of the Black Mask character. That might also be a good choice with a little bit of tweaking.

Perhaps a combination of the best attributes of the black mask and the riddler combined into one character but still retaining the name of the riddler would work too.

What do you think?