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Obama has edged ahead in 2 national polls (Zogby and Gallup) by 2 points (47-45 in both). Though obviously both are within the margin of error. Still it's good news for Obama as it's the first time he isn't behind in these polls since the conventions.

Also CNN has state polls that show that Obama and McCain are pretty much even in Florida, Ohio and NC. Obama has a slight lead in Wisconsin but McCain is ahead in Indiana.

wait until mid-October-when people open their quarterly 401K statements. I know everything's online, but when the masses see their losses on paper - ouch for the Bush/McCain status quo.

docellis wrote:

BW23 wrote:Obama certainly doesn't stand a chance in this rural part of MO. But we're all racist rednecks.

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(just kidding)

You don't have to kid about where I live though. They are indeed racist rednecks, but I think they vote Republican on principle.

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Freed Roger wrote:

BW23 wrote:Obama certainly doesn't stand a chance in this rural part of MO. But we're all racist rednecks.

we could have started this thread here and cut out the first 1000 pages.
....keep on stirring.

There would be some truth to my statement if not for the fact that there's probably over 35% of the population that's black. There are racists, for sure, but most of them aren't rednecks.

clement wrote:Obama has edged ahead in 2 national polls (Zogby and Gallup) by 2 points (47-45 in both). Though obviously both are within the margin of error. Still it's good news for Obama as it's the first time he isn't behind in these polls since the conventions.

Also CNN has state polls that show that Obama and McCain are pretty much even in Florida, Ohio and NC. Obama has a slight lead in Wisconsin but McCain is ahead in Indiana.

I would be very surprised if Wisco goes to McCain. Not shocked, but pretty surprised.

I'm always fascinated by these polls. How do they keep it statistically accurate? Example, I assume they call people randomly to do these polls? Right there you have pollution of the data set ... not everyone has a regular phone any longer. Can you randomly call cellphones? If you can, can you do it as easily? Are younger people more included to not have regular lines? Etc... My stereotype would be cell phone only people to go to Obama, and people with no phone at all McCain. But I don't know how to factor that in to the polls, or if it's even possible.

robbotis wrote:

AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:

Freed Roger wrote:

redbirdjazzz wrote:Hopefully Obama can carry St. Louis, Columbia, and KC by big enough margins to make up for more conservative areas.

hey redbirdjazzz - now why in the heck would you think Obama couldn't carry the rural and outer suburbs in MO


...stirring the pot.

They're too busy clinging to their guns and God to pay attention to the issues.

.....I'll help stir

That's right. The issue is HOPE!!!

I thought the issue was CHANGE.

jim wrote:

clement wrote:Obama has edged ahead in 2 national polls (Zogby and Gallup) by 2 points (47-45 in both). Though obviously both are within the margin of error. Still it's good news for Obama as it's the first time he isn't behind in these polls since the conventions.

Also CNN has state polls that show that Obama and McCain are pretty much even in Florida, Ohio and NC. Obama has a slight lead in Wisconsin but McCain is ahead in Indiana.

I would be very surprised if Wisco goes to McCain. Not shocked, but pretty surprised.

I'm always fascinated by these polls. How do they keep it statistically accurate? Example, I assume they call people randomly to do these polls? Right there you have pollution of the data set ... not everyone has a regular phone any longer. Can you randomly call cellphones? If you can, can you do it as easily? Are younger people more included to not have regular lines? Etc... My stereotype would be cell phone only people to go to Obama, and people with no phone at all McCain. But I don't know how to factor that in to the polls, or if it's even possible.

What about the people that pay for privacy blocker and things like that?

obucard wrote:

robbotis wrote:

AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:

Freed Roger wrote:

redbirdjazzz wrote:Hopefully Obama can carry St. Louis, Columbia, and KC by big enough margins to make up for more conservative areas.

hey redbirdjazzz - now why in the heck would you think Obama couldn't carry the rural and outer suburbs in MO


...stirring the pot.

They're too busy clinging to their guns and God to pay attention to the issues.

.....I'll help stir

That's right. The issue is HOPE!!!

I thought the issue was CHANGE.

I thought it was HYPE

BW23 wrote:

obucard wrote:

robbotis wrote:

AWvsCBsteeeerike3 wrote:

Freed Roger wrote:

redbirdjazzz wrote:Hopefully Obama can carry St. Louis, Columbia, and KC by big enough margins to make up for more conservative areas.

hey redbirdjazzz - now why in the heck would you think Obama couldn't carry the rural and outer suburbs in MO


...stirring the pot.

They're too busy clinging to their guns and God to pay attention to the issues.

.....I'll help stir

That's right. The issue is HOPE!!!

I thought the issue was CHANGE.

I thought it was HYPE