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Re: NBA Offseason Thread.
Posted: July 8 10, 10:21 am
by Socnorb11
Faceman wrote:MrSaigon wrote:It is a little surprising to me that the best deal they could find for Hinrich was with a draft pick. Seems like they could have dealt him straight up for a waivable player (but most of those situations have a buy out that counts against cap). Anyway, I imagine they tried to get their best deal. In either case--if he's a cheap young guy, or they just have his rights while he's developing in Europe, having Seraphin wouldn't be bad at all.
They took all his salary right? $17M over the next two years.
Giving away a pick to free that up is a no-brainer.
Half the veteran deals in the NBA are terrible from a production vs. cost standpoint.
I'd say there's a reasonable chance that the player(s) that they sign to replace him will be more of the same....... and they'll have to give away another draft pick in order to clear up that space a couple years from now.
Re: NBA Offseason Thread.
Posted: July 8 10, 10:25 am
by Faceman
MrSaigon wrote:Faceman wrote:MrSaigon wrote:It is a little surprising to me that the best deal they could find for Hinrich was with a draft pick. Seems like they could have dealt him straight up for a waivable player (but most of those situations have a buy out that counts against cap). Anyway, I imagine they tried to get their best deal. In either case--if he's a cheap young guy, or they just have his rights while he's developing in Europe, having Seraphin wouldn't be bad at all.
They took all his salary right? $17M over the next two years.
Giving away a pick to free that up is a no-brainer. Half the veteran deals in the NBA are terrible from a production vs. cost standpoint.
Hinrich is a solid, if overpaid player. It's not like their dumping Eddy Curry here. He has on court value. It is surprising to me that they couldn't do better. Like, as I said, trade him for someone waivable, or trade him for rights to a Euro, and keep the draft pick.
I imagine they did their part. I'm surprised is all.
If he is overpaid (paid more than his value), why would anyone give up anything valuable in return?
The Wiz were paid to take on a net liability.
If the "waivable player" is in effect a net zero (no value, no cost) then the Wizards would be saying "well, sure we'll take your overpaid player for nothing, thanks".
It's like when the RedSox put ManRam on irrevocable waivers after 2003. He's a great hitter, but nobody picked him up.
Re: NBA Offseason Thread.
Posted: July 8 10, 10:29 am
by Faceman
Socnorb11 wrote:Faceman wrote:MrSaigon wrote:It is a little surprising to me that the best deal they could find for Hinrich was with a draft pick. Seems like they could have dealt him straight up for a waivable player (but most of those situations have a buy out that counts against cap). Anyway, I imagine they tried to get their best deal. In either case--if he's a cheap young guy, or they just have his rights while he's developing in Europe, having Seraphin wouldn't be bad at all.
They took all his salary right? $17M over the next two years.
Giving away a pick to free that up is a no-brainer.
Half the veteran deals in the NBA are terrible from a production vs. cost standpoint.
I'd say there's a reasonable chance that the player(s) that they sign to replace him will be more of the same....... and they'll have to give away another draft pick in order to clear up that space a couple years from now.
Not likely. Kirk Hinrich was the #7 player overall drafted in 2003. So not only is he a 7 year veteran (which means more pay), but he's also a lottery pick.
JJ Redick would be the same / better and cost much less.
Re: NBA Offseason Thread.
Posted: July 8 10, 10:34 am
by Socnorb11
Faceman wrote:Socnorb11 wrote:Faceman wrote:MrSaigon wrote:It is a little surprising to me that the best deal they could find for Hinrich was with a draft pick. Seems like they could have dealt him straight up for a waivable player (but most of those situations have a buy out that counts against cap). Anyway, I imagine they tried to get their best deal. In either case--if he's a cheap young guy, or they just have his rights while he's developing in Europe, having Seraphin wouldn't be bad at all.
They took all his salary right? $17M over the next two years.
Giving away a pick to free that up is a no-brainer.
Half the veteran deals in the NBA are terrible from a production vs. cost standpoint.
I'd say there's a reasonable chance that the player(s) that they sign to replace him will be more of the same....... and they'll have to give away another draft pick in order to clear up that space a couple years from now.
Not likely. Kirk Hinrich was the #7 player overall drafted in 2003. So not only is he a 7 year veteran (which means more pay), but he's also a lottery pick.
JJ Redick would be the same / better and cost much less.
Good example with Redick. Have you heard that the Bulls are talking to him?
Re: NBA Offseason Thread.
Posted: July 8 10, 10:38 am
by Faceman
No - but I heard that if the Bulls got Bosh and LBJ, that Redick was the shooter they'd target. Who knows what happens if LBJ doesn't go there.
Quite the spectacle this has become.
Re: NBA Offseason Thread.
Posted: July 8 10, 10:44 am
by MrSaigon
I wouldn't think, even at $17 mil over two years, Hinrich for nothing is a deal that needs sweetening. I've already chosen a losing argument, however, because it did.
Re: NBA Offseason Thread.
Posted: July 8 10, 11:24 am
by AJ
How will the bulls feel if Lebron walks onto the stage and simply says "I'm following vinny to la"
Re: NBA Offseason Thread.
Posted: July 8 10, 12:27 pm
by jim
Socnorb11 wrote:MrSaigon wrote: "It's gotten ridiculous," Orlando coach Stan Van Gundy said. "It's almost like a parody of itself, this whole situation now. Come on, an hour long? It takes 15 seconds to say I've decided to stay in Cleveland but we've got another 59 minutes and 45 seconds to, what? Promote LeBron James? "As if we don't do that enough. Look, the guy's a great player and wherever he goes, my bet would be Cleveland, that place will be excited. But an hour-long special?"
I'm glad someone from the "inside" said it.
Re: NBA Offseason Thread.
Posted: July 8 10, 12:38 pm
by omaha_red
let's just keep up the ridiculousness why don't we..
per rotoworld
LeBron James has reportedly booked a party at the W Hotel in Miami for Saturday night.
Yes, he's going to Carmelo Anthony's wedding in New York on Saturday, but it seems feasible that he could jet to Miami in time for an old fashioned throwdown at the W that night. All signs are pointing to him signing with the Heat - now more than ever.
Re: NBA Offseason Thread.
Posted: July 8 10, 12:40 pm
by Leroy
omaha_red wrote:let's just keep up the ridiculousness why don't we..
per rotoworld
LeBron James has reportedly booked a party at the W Hotel in Miami for Saturday night.
Yes, he's going to Carmelo Anthony's wedding in New York on Saturday, but it seems feasible that he could jet to Miami in time for an old fashioned throwdown at the W that night. All signs are pointing to him signing with the Heat - now more than ever.
I'll believe it when I hear an airport report.