Memo to Pols: Competence Trumps Morality

[JCShutout]

Did Craig do something specifically to you? Has he slighted you in some way? He messes up...and you take joy in that?

Wow, missed most of this.

Snayke, when one marginalizes and oppresses a group of people, you don't have to be in that group to be outraged. The nature of compassion is thus. Compassion means to "suffer with someone". Com = with, passion = suffering.

You don't have to be a liberal to care about your fellow human, even that human who isn't from your same gender, religious affiliation, ethnicity, sexual orientation or country. I'm not a woman, but I'm a feminist. I'm not Latin American, but I'm a liberation theologian in that vein. I'm not homosexual, but I'm pro-gay marriage, and try to promote the acceptance of the biological nature of homosexuality.

I think the only "joy" in seeing this guy fall grom "grace" is the hope that he will serve as an example of how rediculous it is to oppress homosexuality, and to hopefully show how silly some of the ultra right-wing arguments are. (Like, you choose to be homosexual)

I think this is tied into a bigger issue, one of cosmopolitanism (tied in with humanism) verses exclusivism. (My religion/ethnicity/culture/nation/history etc. is best and yours is inferior in every important aspect)

I don't think the hate is towards republicans in general but rather towards those with exclusivist worldviews. Thing is, many ultra right wingers connect with those exclusivist views, so it can get pretty partisan at times.

[GeddyWrox]

Did Craig do something specifically to you? Has he slighted you in some way? He messes up...and you take joy in that?

Wow, missed most of this.

Snayke, when one marginalizes and oppresses a group of people, you don't have to be in that group to be outraged. The nature of compassion is thus. Compassion means to "suffer with someone". Com = with, passion = suffering.

You don't have to be a liberal to care about your fellow human, even that human who isn't from your same gender, religious affiliation, ethnicity, sexual orientation or country. I'm not a woman, but I'm a feminist. I'm not Latin American, but I'm a liberation theologian in that vein. I'm not homosexual, but I'm pro-gay marriage, and try to promote the acceptance of the biological nature of homosexuality.

I think the only "joy" in seeing this guy fall grom "grace" is the hope that he will serve as an example of how rediculous it is to oppress homosexuality, and to hopefully show how silly some of the ultra right-wing arguments are. (Like, you choose to be homosexual)

I think this is tied into a bigger issue, one of cosmopolitanism (tied in with humanism) verses exclusivism. (My religion/ethnicity/culture/nation/history etc. is best and yours is inferior in every important aspect)

I don't think the hate is towards republicans in general but rather towards those with exclusivist worldviews. Thing is, many ultra right wingers connect with those exclusivist views, so it can get pretty partisan at times.

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[GatewaySnayke]

Hi, this is Snayke's secretary, Janine. He wanted to inform you all that replying to anything he said in this thread is going to be futile, because he's done. Direct all questions to him through private messaging, and help yourself to our fine collection of hard candies as you exit. Thank you!

[docellis]

All I can think of is Donald Trump when I see this thread.

[sighyoung]

All I can think of is Donald Trump when I see this thread.

His hair is immoral.

[GatewaySnayke]

Snayke: I stand by my topic title. When someone votes to legislate morality, it suggests to me that they should at a minimum follow through on that morality in their own life.

OK, I'll break my silence on this one thing. Janine is busy filing.

First, my apologies for mistaking the subject title. I took it the wrong way, that this somehow delighted you that a guy was trying to get gay bathroom sex and was getting knocked off his pedastal.

Second, he's a politician. If you're expecting a politician to live his life without any sort of hypocrisies between what he votes and what he believes, then my suggestion would be to temper any sort of expectations that you have. Craig is beholden to his party, as are the vast majority of congressional members. And gosh, if we actually sat down and listed all of the hypocrisies of the 535 members of Congress, I think we would manage a 47-page thread.

It's my belief that people expect WAY too much from our leaders. Not saying that's wrong, but I am saying that those people need to crawl out from underneath their rock and say 'how do?' to the modern world of politics and 2007.

[Hungary Jack]

For me, it is not really about parties, politicians, or people. The notion that "moral values" are a relevant credential and an effective and decision-making tool for any type of leader (Boy Scout, CEO, Senator, etc.) is simply bunk. Leaders who subscribe to this platform should stop pretending that it matters.


And Janine has nice hooters, by the way.