MrCrowesGarden wrote:he may in fact have monetary incentive to explain to the Hall why he doesn't want to be inducted as a Cardinal/wants to be inducted as an Angel.
again, he cannot do that. it's not in the contract, nor can it be.
MLB obviously has to approve contracts, and there is a rule in place that prohibits monetary reasoning in terms of cap selection for the HOF....so there is nothing in the contract about the HOF and cap choice. there cannot be.
You have not proven that.
This is what you quoted:
In 2001, the Hall of Fame decided to change the policy on cap logo selection, as a result of rumors that some teams were offering compensation, such as number retirement, money, or organizational jobs, in exchange for the cap designation.
The Hall changed its policy separate from MLB. Albert inked his deal after MLB enforced new rules regarding personal services contracts, but his was grandfathered in.
The Hall can go against Albert's wishes (which I believe will be to go in as an Angel) if it wants to. But it could look very bad for them.
MrCrowesGarden wrote:he may in fact have monetary incentive to explain to the Hall why he doesn't want to be inducted as a Cardinal/wants to be inducted as an Angel.
again, he cannot do that. it's not in the contract, nor can it be.
MLB obviously has to approve contracts, and there is a rule in place that prohibits monetary reasoning in terms of cap selection for the HOF....so there is nothing in the contract about the HOF and cap choice. there cannot be.
You have not proven that.
This is what you quoted:
In 2001, the Hall of Fame decided to change the policy on cap logo selection, as a result of rumors that some teams were offering compensation, such as number retirement, money, or organizational jobs, in exchange for the cap designation.
The Hall changed its policy separate from MLB. Albert inked his deal after MLB enforced new rules regarding personal services contracts, but his was grandfathered in.
The Hall can go against Albert's wishes (which I believe will be to go in as an Angel) if it wants to. But it could look very bad for them.
albert signed his contract after the 2011 season.
the HOF policy has been in effect since 2001.
the HOF is separate than MLB, correct...but you're telling me that MLB saw albert's contract, and saw a clause in it about a monetary decision based on cap selection in regards to the HOF, and thought..."yeah, this looks good guys. approved"
the HOF policy was in effect a decade before pujols signed his deal. MLB would obv have said something about it.
MrCrowesGarden wrote:he may in fact have monetary incentive to explain to the Hall why he doesn't want to be inducted as a Cardinal/wants to be inducted as an Angel.
again, he cannot do that. it's not in the contract, nor can it be.
MLB obviously has to approve contracts, and there is a rule in place that prohibits monetary reasoning in terms of cap selection for the HOF....so there is nothing in the contract about the HOF and cap choice. there cannot be.
You have not proven that.
This is what you quoted:
In 2001, the Hall of Fame decided to change the policy on cap logo selection, as a result of rumors that some teams were offering compensation, such as number retirement, money, or organizational jobs, in exchange for the cap designation.
The Hall changed its policy separate from MLB. Albert inked his deal after MLB enforced new rules regarding personal services contracts, but his was grandfathered in.
The Hall can go against Albert's wishes (which I believe will be to go in as an Angel) if it wants to. But it could look very bad for them.
albert signed his contract after the 2011 season.
the HOF policy has been in effect since 2001.
the HOF is separate than MLB, correct...but you're telling me that MLB saw albert's contract, and saw a clause in it about a monetary decision based on cap selection in regards to the HOF, and thought..."yeah, this looks good guys. approved"
the HOF policy was in effect a decade before pujols signed his deal. MLB would obv have said something about it.
Being a stupid-ass hoosier, redneck, and unrepentant Cardinals fan I say 'so what?' He didn't want to retire a Cardinal, why should he be enshrined as one.
I suggest reading this article regarding the HOF policy.
Baseball Hall of Fame President Jeff Idelson told ESPN in an 2009 interview that the hall tries to decide where the player "made his most indelible mark."
According to Idelson, the cap decision is made by the Hall of Fame's senior staff and research team. "They'll look at a player's career numbers and look at the impact, and quite honestly, it's usually a no-brainer," Idelson told ESPN. "Then we have a conversation with the player, because we wouldn't do something unilaterally."
The decisions are not always made without controversy. When Gary Carter was elected in 2003, the Hall decided his plaque would bear the Montreal Expos logo, while Carter expressed a desire to go in as a member of the New York Mets. Dave Winfield, who played significant roles for San Diego and the New York Yankees was another player whose cap selection stirred controversy. As well as base-stealing legend Rickey Henderson.
It's about #'s and they don't always respect a players wishes. It would be beyond shocking if AP didn't go in as a Cardinal.
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Michael wrote:I suggest reading this article regarding the HOF policy.
Baseball Hall of Fame President Jeff Idelson told ESPN in an 2009 interview that the hall tries to decide where the player "made his most indelible mark."
According to Idelson, the cap decision is made by the Hall of Fame's senior staff and research team. "They'll look at a player's career numbers and look at the impact, and quite honestly, it's usually a no-brainer," Idelson told ESPN. "Then we have a conversation with the player, because we wouldn't do something unilaterally."
The decisions are not always made without controversy. When Gary Carter was elected in 2003, the Hall decided his plaque would bear the Montreal Expos logo, while Carter expressed a desire to go in as a member of the New York Mets. Dave Winfield, who played significant roles for San Diego and the New York Yankees was another player whose cap selection stirred controversy. As well as base-stealing legend Rickey Henderson.
It's about #'s and they don't always respect a players wishes. It would be beyond shocking if AP didn't go in as a Cardinal.
You didn't bold the second part of Idelson's quote.
I realize they don't have to respect Albert's wishes. If they want to have the awkwardness of him not wearing any Cardinals gear for photos, not signing any Cardinals merch for fans, and maybe not speaking about the Cardinals during his speech (or not going altogether if he's inducted as a Cardinal), that's their choice.
Michael wrote:I suggest reading this article regarding the HOF policy.
Baseball Hall of Fame President Jeff Idelson told ESPN in an 2009 interview that the hall tries to decide where the player "made his most indelible mark."
According to Idelson, the cap decision is made by the Hall of Fame's senior staff and research team. "They'll look at a player's career numbers and look at the impact, and quite honestly, it's usually a no-brainer," Idelson told ESPN. "Then we have a conversation with the player, because we wouldn't do something unilaterally."
The decisions are not always made without controversy. When Gary Carter was elected in 2003, the Hall decided his plaque would bear the Montreal Expos logo, while Carter expressed a desire to go in as a member of the New York Mets. Dave Winfield, who played significant roles for San Diego and the New York Yankees was another player whose cap selection stirred controversy. As well as base-stealing legend Rickey Henderson.
It's about #'s and they don't always respect a players wishes. It would be beyond shocking if AP didn't go in as a Cardinal.
You didn't bold the second part of Idelson's quote.
I realize they don't have to respect Albert's wishes. If they want to have the awkwardness of him not wearing any Cardinals gear for photos, not signing any Cardinals merch for fans, and maybe not speaking about the Cardinals during his speech (or not going altogether if he's inducted as a Cardinal), that's their choice.
here's the 2018 induction ceremony...don't see anyone wearing any team gear
Michael wrote:I suggest reading this article regarding the HOF policy.
Baseball Hall of Fame President Jeff Idelson told ESPN in an 2009 interview that the hall tries to decide where the player "made his most indelible mark."
According to Idelson, the cap decision is made by the Hall of Fame's senior staff and research team. "They'll look at a player's career numbers and look at the impact, and quite honestly, it's usually a no-brainer," Idelson told ESPN. "Then we have a conversation with the player, because we wouldn't do something unilaterally."
The decisions are not always made without controversy. When Gary Carter was elected in 2003, the Hall decided his plaque would bear the Montreal Expos logo, while Carter expressed a desire to go in as a member of the New York Mets. Dave Winfield, who played significant roles for San Diego and the New York Yankees was another player whose cap selection stirred controversy. As well as base-stealing legend Rickey Henderson.
It's about #'s and they don't always respect a players wishes. It would be beyond shocking if AP didn't go in as a Cardinal.
You didn't bold the second part of Idelson's quote.
I realize they don't have to respect Albert's wishes. If they want to have the awkwardness of him not wearing any Cardinals gear for photos, not signing any Cardinals merch for fans, and maybe not speaking about the Cardinals during his speech (or not going altogether if he's inducted as a Cardinal), that's their choice.
here's the 2018 induction ceremony...don't see anyone wearing any team gear
I was referring to events over the weekend, I'm aware players don't wear uniforms during the speech.
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