Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin

[Numbers]

Whether you agree with Mccain's position on the war or not doesn't matter. The POW thing is mentioned because it shaped him and because it puts him in the light of having formed his decision while being sympathetic to the tragedies of war. This isn't some favored son who's never faced horror and atrocity. Whether you agree with him or not, you do have to acknowledge that he has an understanding of the horror of war. That's why it is constantly highlighted.

Obama growing up as a black man in America probably had a great deal to do with shaping him. He's certainly not playing that card....... not once. Why? Because he doesn't stand to gain politically from it. McCain stands to gain political leverege from being a POW.

By all means, let not use something that is one of our strengths. The fact remains that it puts him in the light of understanding the consequences of his decision. That is legitimate whether you agree with his conclusion or not.

[GatewaySnayke]

Does John McCain actually know when the Russian Empire was? And does he know that it hasn't existed for close to 100 years?

We must stop Czar Putin!

I'm opposed to the eye roll icon, but this is where I would use it.

Are you mocking me or McCain?

[PujolJunkie]

Man, I'm getting too worked up for someone who hasn't decided who to vote for yet.

I'm getting worked up too. I'm sitting here with my wife who is a McCain supporter and I'm an Obama supporter. Grrr

I've started tuning McCain out. It's honestly just on my TV making noise now. I got bored to death.

Shocking coming from you

Thank you for continuing to make this thread a personal thing.

[JG1982]

Whether you agree with Mccain's position on the war or not doesn't matter. The POW thing is mentioned because it shaped him and because it puts him in the light of having formed his decision while being sympathetic to the tragedies of war. This isn't some favored son who's never faced horror and atrocity. Whether you agree with him or not, you do have to acknowledge that he has an understanding of the horror of war. That's why it is constantly highlighted.

Obama growing up as a black man in America probably had a great deal to do with shaping him. He's certainly not playing that card....... not once. Why? Because he doesn't stand to gain politically from it. McCain stands to gain political leverege from being a POW.

And my posts are pointless..

McCain isn't supposed to use something that will help him? Got it...we're on teh same page now

[BW23]

Obamamania is running wild because of what a great orator he is not because of his positions.

Wrong again. I'm not sure where you live, but here's what Gallup has to say the American people stand for:

Americans are pro-choice (67 percent)

Americans support the Geneva Conventions with regards to torture (57 percent)

Americans don't want the government snooping in their bank and internet records (67 percent)

Americans support protecting the environment at the expense of economic growth (55 percent)

Americans believe that global warming is happening (86 percent)

Americans believe that it's the government's responsibility to provide health care (69 percent)

Americans support the decriminalization of marijuana (55 percent) and support the legalization of medical marijuana (78 percent)

Americans are opposed to attacking Iran (68 percent, according to a CNN Poll)

Americans support labor unions (60 percent)

Americans want government funding of embryonic stem cell research (56 percent)

Americans believe rich people and corporations aren't paying enough taxes (66 percent)

You're right Snayke. Liberalism is the way to go! Now I see the light!

You just said that people like Obama because of the way he speaks, not because of what he stands for. I just showed you the American people do agree with what he stands for. You can choose to believe whatever you want, but it's false to say that people don't believe in the same things.

And yet, wasn't it a Gallup poll in the last week where Obama and McCain were even? Maybe it was another poll. I wonder where those other 10-40% are?

I actually think I hate the Democratic platform more every single day.

[JG1982]

Hey..the Brewers lost!

[docellis]

I think the reason the countless reincarnations of the POW story doesn't sit well is because many Americans are tired of the Iraq war and what's perceived as a hawkish, militaristic approach to foreign policy. To many, it represents more of the same and it also underlines an out of touch approach to real domestic issues Americans are facing daily. There is no doubt that people respect his sacrifice for our country, it's just that pertinent domestic issues have been neglected while fighting what some would consider an unjust war.

Shameless bump, but no one has a comment about this POW leverage rationale?

Honestly, I was a huge supporter of his, initially because I thought that the POW thing would make him take life more seriously and when deciding to use military force - he'd be more cautious or just - because of what he'd been through.

But I don't know if I think that is the case anymore. When he didn't leave the GOP after he really should have (imo) I think he changed a lot and began playing the game the way they wanted it played.

Anyway this doesn't exactly address what you're talking about but I do agree that most people are tired of fighting and war.

[fanforever]

Hey..the Brewers lost!

Is that 5 in a row?

[Richie Allen]

I've started tuning McCain out. It's honestly just on my TV making noise now. I got bored to death.

I had to turn it off.

[GatewaySnayke]

I actually think I hate the Democratic platform more every single day.

I don't care.