slide_into_first wrote:Re weight cutting they have an official weigh in at the beginning of the season with a measurement of urine specific gravity to make sure the guy was not dehydrated at the weigh in. You can go up but not down from that weight. That is high school or college.
How well does that work? I wonder how much guys cut in HS regularly. I cut 10 pounds a week, but I was a little bigger guy. I had a good friend of mine who wrestled 119/126 in Illinois and he was cutting more weight than me - and he's still paying the price I think. He'd be 12-14 pounds over 2 days before meet and still make it. His digestive system is messed up to this day, because I know he used make himself sick. I never did that - sweats and roll up in a mat, chew grape flavored Bubble Yum and spit all of the saliva out, and starve myself - but never purged.
Cutting weight was the biggest reason I stopped wrestling. Baseball was my sport, I also played football, and by my Jr. year I just didn't feel like putting my body through that.
slide_into_first wrote:High school doesn't award riding time, and in college a pin is quicker- a 2 count instead of 3 in high school. In college if someone was on top for at least one minute longer than the opponent he gets one point. Otherwise it is 2 takedown or reversal 1 escape 2 or 3 nearfall. College overtime is different as well. There is a one minute sudden victory, first takedown wins. If nobody scores they each have to be on the bottom for thirty seconds. If one escapes and the other doesn't he wins. If no winner they do it all over again with another sudden victory followed by two rideout periods. If no one has won by then the person with more overtime riding time wins.
In Foxcatcher, Mark Schultz scored points in one match rolling his opponent over a couple of times using a gutwrench. It is one point in freestyle but not in folkstyle.
Thanks.
Not sure what state you are in but in Illinois - at least when I wrestled - a pin wasn't a 2 or a 3 count. You should had to show control - so basically as soon as the shoulders were on the mat and not coming right back up it was a pin.
Ok - so basically riding time is the only scoring differenc? Is a nearfall > 5 seconds like in HS?
And thanks for clearing that up in the movie - I thought the movie did a good job overall mimic'ing the sport, you could tell they had done their homework on training methods etc... - I even thought the culture of wrestlers was captured pretty well by his brother. I knew severals that acted and walked like that. But I wondered about that rolling the guy over a couple of times - I just thought that was madeup. In HS you wouldn't get points for that.
In hs or college you get 2 nearfall for a 3 count and 3 points for a 5 count. I'm in California, pins are up to the referee and get shorter in the post season, my son got pinned on a one count in the sectional tournament once. He won three in a row in the consolation bracket after that and still qualified for state.
slide_into_first wrote:Re weight cutting they have an official weigh in at the beginning of the season with a measurement of urine specific gravity to make sure the guy was not dehydrated at the weigh in. You can go up but not down from that weight. That is high school or college.
How well does that work? I wonder how much guys cut in HS regularly. I cut 10 pounds a week, but I was a little bigger guy. I had a good friend of mine who wrestled 119/126 in Illinois and he was cutting more weight than me - and he's still paying the price I think. He'd be 12-14 pounds over 2 days before meet and still make it. His digestive system is messed up to this day, because I know he used make himself sick. I never did that - sweats and roll up in a mat, chew grape flavored Bubble Yum and spit all of the saliva out, and starve myself - but never purged.
Cutting weight was the biggest reason I stopped wrestling. Baseball was my sport, I also played football, and by my Jr. year I just didn't feel like putting my body through that.
Well in 1998 there were two or three deaths in college wrestling from weight cutting and they cleaned up the rules and I don't think there has been a death since. If there was it wasn't clearly from weight cutting.
If Wilps had not locked his hands (used an illegal hold), Brown would have escaped so either way he was going to win by one point. I wouldn't want to win that way but I'd rather win when I was the better wrestler Wilps couldn't keep him from escaping legally..
You could say he was a little [expletive] for pointing it out to the ref but the officiating is so inconsistent you have to.
Same thing with the stalling call right before that. You can't just grab an ankle and hold on, you have to work to return the opponent to the mat.
