Official 2010 NFL Draft Thread

[lukethedrifter]

Yeah, Gerald, which is in a way more perplexing. Why go with the inferior player at the position?

McShay has McCoy ranked higher than Suh right now.

Just trying to be different.

[phins]

Mayock has McCoy rated higher as well.

The Rams are going to regret it if they draft a DL'man for the third year in a row, and pass on a QB.

[TimeForGuinness]

Mayock has McCoy rated higher as well.

The Rams are going to regret it if they draft a DL'man for the third year in a row, and pass on a QB.

What QB? I'd rather they go get Vick for one year and then trade up to get Locker next year.

[phins]

Mayock has McCoy rated higher as well.

The Rams are going to regret it if they draft a DL'man for the third year in a row, and pass on a QB.

What QB? I'd rather they go get Vick for one year and then trade up to get Locker next year.

That is such a risky strategy, and putting off a QB for another year just puts you back another year. I'm a big believer in Clausen, but I get that there seems to be a lot of anti-Clausen sentiment. Perhaps due to his frat boy attitude?

Ryan Mallett is another monster QB prospect for next year.

I just don't see spending that much money on a DT, and drafting a DL three years in a row. Suh is about as maxed out as he's going to get IMO, and he's not an athletic freak. I'm not saying he isn't awesome, I'm just saying there are some questions that would make me decide if I liked a QB in Bradford or Clausen. There are always going to be questions about a draft pick, and the debate is the fun part for me.

[TimeForGuinness]

I'm just a big fan of not drafting a QB with your first pick unless it's Peyton Manning.

Should be some decent QB picks in the 3rd-4th round. IMHO.

/Edit: Clausen wouldn't haven anyone to throw to for about 2 or 3 years anyway.

[phins]

I'm just a big fan of not drafting a QB with your first pick unless it's Peyton Manning.

Should be some decent QB picks in the 3rd-4th round. IMHO.

/Edit: Clausen wouldn't haven anyone to throw to for about 2 or 3 years anyway.

Look at the last ten years of drafts, and show me a QB after the first round succeeding. Chad Henne should probably join that list this year, but he was a projected first rounder who fell a bit. Kevin Kolb, the Eagles like, but he's an unknown. Other than that, I'm drawing blanks for a QB after the first round who's any good in past decade.

QB's are getting to the point where there are so few of them that project to really help at the NFL level, you almost have to draft one high at some point, or get really lucky.

[albertmvpujols]

Tom Brady, Marc Bulger, Drew Brees, David Garrard, Matt Schaub, Kyle Orton, Matt Cassel, Kevin Kolb(limited), Trent Edwards, and Chad Henne have had various levels of success and were not first rounders.

This also could include guys like Tony Romo who were completely undrafted.

The problem for me is that the Rams are bad enough at enough spots that they need to take the BPA. The Rams are in a position to where they need to get some value out of this pick as the last two top draft picks were either injured (Smith) or not playing to what was expected of him (Long). If they reach on Clausen and he busts they'd be in pretty awful shape. The risk of a QB busting is far too high imo to justify not taking the BPA, unless they trade out of the #1 spot. Suh looks to be both the best player in this draft as well as the safest pick.

[phins]

Tom Brady, Marc Bulger, Drew Brees, David Garrard, Matt Schaub, Kyle Orton, Matt Cassel, Kevin Kolb(limited), Trent Edwards, and Chad Henne have had various levels of success and were not first rounders.

This also could include guys like Tony Romo who were completely undrafted.

The problem for me is that the Rams are bad enough at enough spots that they need to take the BPA. The Rams are in a position to where they need to get some value out of this pick as the last two top draft picks were either injured (Smith) or not playing to what was expected of him (Long). If they reach on Clausen and he busts they'd be in pretty awful shape. The risk of a QB busting is far too high imo to justify not taking the BPA, unless they trade out of the #1 spot. Suh looks to be both the best player in this draft as well as the safest pick.

I said 10 years, but meant 5 years. None of those guys were recent...the belief that you cang et a QB later in the draft is fading IMO.

Brees is, what, 33? Brady, 30-something. Those guys were a long time ago.

[albertmvpujols]

If you only did five years of course you are not going to get many. There's a reason that these guys aren't first rounders: they are not immediately ready (if they ever will be) and take time to develop. You pretty much kill three or so of those last five years due to guy's from the last few drafts not being seen as ready yet. If you move that five year window to something like the drafts 2-6 years ago, or 3-7 years ago you still get guys like Kolb, Schaub, etc.

Let's assume the 2003 to 2007 drafts for example (Bold are top 10 picks, italicized are #1 overall picks):

All First rounders:
2003: Carson Palmer, Kyle Boller, Rex Grossman
2004: Eli Manning, Philip Rivers , Ben Roethlisberger, J. P. Losman
2005: Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers, Jason Campbell
2006: Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Jay Cutler
2007: JaMarcus Russell, Brady Quinn

Notable Later rounders(or undrafted):
2003: Tony Romo (undrafted)
2004: Matt Schaub (3rd)
2005: Kyle Orton (4th), Matt Cassell (7th)
2006: None
2007: Kevin Kolb (2nd), Trent Edwards (3rd)

Obviously, there is a lot more talent in the first round, but that's a given as there's more talent at every position in the first round of the draft than later rounds. I just don't like the bust rate of 1st round QB's especially at the top slot. I do however see your point and agree completely that the Rams need to do something about it. I'm just not sure Clausen at #1 is what I'd like to see them do and I do like Clausen's NFL prospects quite a bit.

[phins]

If you only did five years of course you are not going to get many. There's a reason that these guys aren't first rounders: they are not immediately ready (if they ever will be) and take time to develop. You pretty much kill three or so of those last five years due to guy's from the last few drafts not being seen as ready yet. If you move that five year window to something like the drafts 2-6 years ago, or 3-7 years ago you still get guys like Kolb, Schaub, etc.

Let's assume the 2003 to 2007 drafts for example (Bold are top 10 picks, italicized are #1 overall picks):

All First rounders:
2003: Carson Palmer, Kyle Boller, Rex Grossman
2004: Eli Manning, Philip Rivers , Ben Roethlisberger, J. P. Losman
2005: Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers, Jason Campbell
2006: Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Jay Cutler
2007: JaMarcus Russell, Brady Quinn

Notable Later rounders(or undrafted):
2003: Tony Romo (undrafted)
2004: Matt Schaub (3rd)
2005: Kyle Orton (4th), Matt Cassell (7th)
2006: None
2007: Kevin Kolb (2nd), Trent Edwards (3rd)

Obviously, there is a lot more talent in the first round, but that's a given as there's more talent at every position in the first round of the draft than later rounds. I just don't like the bust rate of 1st round QB's especially at the top slot. I do however see your point and agree completely that the Rams need to do something about it. I'm just not sure Clausen at #1 is what I'd like to see them do and I do like Clausen's NFL prospects quite a bit.

It's a debate that has merit on your side for sure, but basically you seem to agree with my point; If you want to get a good/great QB, you have to take them early. Just like anything else in life, there will be outliers, but the Rams are going to have to sack up and take that risk at some point.

If they pass on Clausen & Bradford because they legitimately just decide they aren't going to be good/great QB's, I can live with that (you have to be true to your evaluation), but if they continue to ignore the position because of fear of the bust rate, they're going to continue to lose hundreds of millions of dollars of their value due to overall suckitude.