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February 21 23, 1:02 pm
The best of three will also give legs to the best teams who keep getting upset possibly because they are cold from byes. But I'd definitely prefer home and away to best of three. There going to be a [expletive] ton of shootouts, which suck.

It all seems pretty Mickey Mouse to me. And I say this as Mickey Mouse Cup 2020 champion. I'm not a Euro snob or anything, and maybe there's just nothing to do for it, but the continued devaluation of the Shield is a bummer.

What if fans just start a gofundme for Apple and owners? Then can we have some kind of sporting end to the season?
I like the idea of the Shield as the ultimate sporting prize, but it has always been at best imperfect and becomes a worse and worse measure as the schedule gets more imbalanced with every new team. I also think that a lot of the backlash is essentially railing against something that is new or different. Sports and their competitions have complexity, try explaining offsides to a non-fan or how the bottom half of Champions League groups get filled out. There's clearly a business motivation that's the primary one here, but I can appreciate that they took steps to address sporting concerns in the structure even if some people think it's weird that not every round is the same or that Europe doesn't do Best of 3s.

My ideal is expanding to 36-40 and then basically splitting into parallel leagues that only meet in the playoffs, Open Cup, and Leagues Cup. I doubt the segmentation would happen the way I'd like, but it illustrates that beyond the financial considerations(which again are primary in this case), the size of the league and limitations of the schedule are one of the weights that definitionally keep MLS from having as easy a perfect sporting solution as some other leagues.

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As an MLS fan, I just choose to strap in and enjoy whatever it is from year to year. The reason why is this:

According to Forbes, the most valuable team in MLS is LAFC at $1B. That would make them, also according to Forbes, the 15th most valuable pro soccer club in the world, tied with Inter Milan. How is this possible with the massive gulf in revenue between these two clubs? MLS' single-entity ownership structure, lack of pro/rel, and stadium ownership aka real estate value as an asset.

The idea that it would cost the same to buy Inter Milan and LAFC is absurd when you don't consider those factors. Those factors are also what allow MLS to act with relative impunity and justifies it in the minds of investors as an investment first and a sporting organization god knows where in their priority list. In 2008, the most valuable MLS club was the Galaxy valued at "just north of $40M." The growth in value is linked to real estate investment, media streaming wars, and the overall growth of pro sports franchise values.

I look at these numbers and my conclusion is that these guys are doing whatever they want, it's working for them financially, and because of that, we as fans, will never be anywhere close to their top priority. If you're a billionaire, buying Sporting Kansas City is a more sound, stable, and profitable investment than buying Juventus. Considering where MLS came from, this is simply mind boggling. And it's still a [expletive] niche league.

So now they're juicing the playoff schedule to please Apple and increase revenue. Fine. Whatever.

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There’s no un-cynical read of 70% of teams making the playoffs to do an entirely unprecedented best of three pk shootout-a-thon. This is probably why a few days before the season starts it’s still not official.

It’s a silly league run by doofuses who are more lucky than smart. Incredibly fortunate. But my team plays in it. Our accidental dumb petulant rich kid owner (who bought a triple a baseball team and got a soccer team with it) is just a perfect example of all of it.
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They also mess with the playoff format every 2-3 years, so I don't get worked up because they're just going to continue "tinkering" only to result in the same 300,000 people watching (if that).

Also, this just builds in more opportunities for the LA clubs to biff it by either not making the playoffs (pathetic, funny) or choke in the playoffs against teams with way lower payrolls (extremely funny) and then fire their coach.

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Chances this is the playoff format in 6 months? 85%. In one year? 30%. In two years? 2.5%. Chances they claim this is a smashing success even as they tweak and throw it out? 185%.

I’m not really as sour as I sound here but it’s all deeply stupid. PK shootouts prove little at best, and there will be a ceaseless parade of them settling playoff matchups in this gimmicky cynical money grab first round. 62% of teams making playoffs?

The news was finally released quietly last night as the fourth headline on the MLS site. It is no longer visible on their homepage. They love it and they love telling us about it.


Anyway, excited (really!) as always for opening night. Coming to the end of Portland’s gloomy months, it’s always a great part of my year. Hoping some of you get to go to SLFC opening night or at least attend a game. It’s great fun.

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The news was finally released quietly last night as the fourth headline on the MLS site. It is no longer visible on their homepage. They love it and they love telling us about it.
Additionally, all the high profile MLS state media guys were hired by Apple. So Apple's coverage is just league marketing. That's true of all sports and their broadcast partners, I guess. I love this dumb, mickey mouse league.

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Carlile’s playoff pitch is beautiful. I love this. Regular season counts. No shootouts. Even though the Timbers as overachieving tournament punchers suffer, and I still lose the 21 cup on PKs in this model—sign me up.

Have eight teams from each conference qualify and make each round a simple home-and-away affair, and if the teams are tied after 180 minutes, the higher seed goes through. This format would result in 29 games. Everyone wins. The regular season actually has some meaning, Apple TV gets more games to broadcast, the owners get their desired additional revenue and the format remains consistent and easy to understand. You also can get drama without the vagaries of a penalty shootout.

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Anyone have the MLS package on Apple? I watched City vs Austin the other night and liked what I saw. I find the price reasonable, as I already subscribe to Apple.

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I don't have Apple. But I was thinking about hitting a soccer friendly bar somewhere to watch a game sometime soon. Anyone know of good ones in STL besides Amerstdam?

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GeddyWrox wrote:
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I don't have Apple. But I was thinking about hitting a soccer friendly bar somewhere to watch a game sometime soon. Anyone know of good ones in STL besides Amerstdam?
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