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Freed Roger wrote:
jim wrote:
I was trying to imagine you had a good first impression of a sour beer. I was like - what? Don't you just reflexively spit out sour beer?
It was like when someone says -"try this fruit* beer, it's really not bad." I'll take a sip, and - it's usually not as bad as expected, and then i'm done with it and want a beer, and my wife takes the crappy fruit or sour beer off my hands
*from what I read, sour/tart beers probably get their weird taste differently than fruit beers
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I suspect it's like most things when you have a group of guys drinking - let's see what we can burn in the fire. Hey, we got a deep fryer, let's see what we can make work in the deep fryer. It's got to be a challenge for someone like the Carey's at NG to see what kind of stuff you can concoct into drinkable beer. New Glarus Belgian Red is pretty impressive, but hell if I'm going to drink more than a taste. I won't even waste one of my samplers on it at the brewery.

and as a disclaimer - I typically want to like all the beers I buy, especially when they are expensive. The more varieties I can like, the better. I'd rather not have to exclude all the belgians and saisons etc from my choices.
Up until I read your post, I thought sour = rotten.

I think there is a lot of that "Let's see what burns" going on with beer making. I've said this before, I've gotten to the point where all of the variety has actually shrunk the number of beers I drink. Used to be it seemed that you could go out and by some random thing and maybe like it 75% of the time or whatever. That ratio has dropped big time for me to the point where I have collected a set of known beers that represent kind of a spectrum that I like, and that's what I stick to. It's not that I won't try something new if you give it to me, but I won't buy it. If I'm spending my own money now, it's only to buy something I have had before and I know I like.

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Having a friend in the bar business helps to give you opportunities to try all kinds of experimental [expletive] for free or discounted rates off the tap.

Even then, I know my preferred styles.

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I liked the Side Project Cellar - but this is much more my style for trying different beers.
http://www.piasawinery.com/beer.html

I've been there 4 times when it was slow-the bartenders are nice So. Illinois gals (or dudes), not beer aficionados, but the person who picks the taps must pay attention. When I'm there, I ask what the diff beers are like, and they give innocent honest replies "oh I tried that the other day, not bad, kind of like it etc"

Then I'll ask for a sip of something that turns out to be funky or badly hopped, and then they watch my reaction, and nod their head knowingly - like yeah, sucks doesn't it.
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Goose Island The Muddy
9.0% ABV Imperial Stout
Goose Island Beer Co.
Chicago, IL
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Green Flash Jibe
4.0% ABV American IPA
Green Flash Brewing Co.
San Diego, CA
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Jolly Pumpkin Fuego Del Otono
6.1% ABV Biere de Garde
Jolly Pumpkin
Dexter, MI
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Left Hand Fade To Black
8.5% ABV Foreign Stout
Left Hand Brewing Company
Longmont, CO
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Lost Abbey Gift of the Magi
9.5% ABV Biere de Garde
The Lost Abbey
San Marcos, CA
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North Coast Scrimshaw Pilsner
4.7% ABV German Pilsner
North Coast Brewing Co.
Fort Bragg, CA
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Port Santa's Little Helper
10.0% ABV Russian Imperial Stout
Port Brewing Company
San Marcos, CA
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The Bruery Seven Swans-A-Swimming
11.0% ABV Abt/Quadrupel
The Bruery
Placentia, CA
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Two Brothers Night Cat
5.8% ABV Specialty Beer
Two Brothers Brewing Company
Warrenville, IL
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Two Brothers Wobble IPA
6.3% ABV American IPA
Two Brothers Brewing Company
Warrenville, IL
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Uinta King's Peak Porter
4.0% ABV Brown Porter
Uinta Brewing Company
Salt Lake City, UT
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Une Annee Truth Against The World
5.8% ABV Saison
Une Anee Brewery
Chicago, IL
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Victory Hop Devil
6.7% ABV American IPA
Victory Brewing Company
Downingtown, PA
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Widmer Brothers Brrr
7.2% ABV Christmas/Winter Specialty Spiced Beer
Widmer Brothers Brewing Company
Portland, OR
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haltz wrote:Alcohol evaporates at a rate that's due to temperature/humidity. Fermentation creates it. I know you understand this, but I don't get what you mean.
I mean they're low in alcohol, like radlers, but unlike radlers which are cut with soda they're low in alcohol because of the way they're fermented.

Radler is German for bicyclist. Radlermass is "cyclist's liter," with the beer shortened to just "Radler." It was invented in Bavaria by a German dude around the first world war. Bicyclists would ride through the region. They'd be thirsty. Being German, they wanted beer, but they were on their bikes and couldn't get trashed. He cut beer with soda and the radler was born. Whatever folks are calling a shandy was originally a radler, so radler is the father not the son nomenclature wise. I realize the Wikipedia page has Shandy as the main category, but hey, that's what you get when you source crowds. Oliver's Oxford Companion To Beer has an entry for Radlermass but does not use the word "Shandy" in any of its 900+ pages.

Russenmass (Russian's liter) is hefeweizen and lemonade.
Diesel is lager and a cola because of it's diesel-fuel color when combined.
Colaweizen is hefeweizen and cola.
Flieger (Aviator) is Weissbier and cola.
Pilsner or altbier plus cola is a Krefelder, for Krefeld which is a city near the mining town of Dusseldorf that's home of altbier.

All these things come from Germany, not from Leinenkugel

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jim wrote:I would say very few people really care about how much effort went into the beer. Don't tell me about the labor pains, just show me the baby.
The people who care, of whom I'm one, REALLY care.

In my restaurant we have very few tap handles and a small but tight bottle list of 14-17 small format bottles and 4-8 large format bottles (22oz and up) at any time. For the tap, the rules are:
1. do I like the beer?
2. do I like the person who makes the beer?
If it's not good, obviously I won't buy it. If it's good but I've never met you you can't get on my draft system.

For the large format bottles, the stuff I'm charging $17 and up in the restaurant for, it's:
1. do I like the beer?
2. does the beer come with a story I want to tell?
The story could be the brewer, it could be the hop. Often enough it's the fermentation process these days because that's what I'm geeking out about and what a lot of my peers are geeking out about. That Against The Grain beer I mentioned, here's a copy/paste from their website;
A solid dose of light pilsner malt along with a variety of similarly undermodified German-style malts gave us a crisp, clean base to work with. Then we got it All Funked Up. Generous additions of Apollo and Vanguard hops created a substantial flavor of citrus peel and floral spice as well as plenty of IBUs for such a mild malt bill. Ale yeast was then used for primary fermentation before adding a blend of three strains of Brettanomyces. These superattenuating little bugs were allowed to thoroughly ferment out many complex sugars and leave behind their characteristic (and very apparent) wild and funky flavors. After about four and a half months, we added a fresh addition of whole leaf Amarillo hops that spent about a week imparting a citrusy, almost candylike flavor. Finally, we moved the beer to a bottle for a final fermentation that cleaned and carbonated this beer to be ready for the glass.
That's pretty cool, that they let a beer take up space in their brewery for darn near half a year before sending out a fairly small amount. Most small/craft/nanobreweries need to push beer out fast. They have 3-8 fermenters and they brew ales that ferment hot and fast and get them out the door so they can brew more. That someone with a small brewery (ATG is not tiny, but it's still very small) will take the time to make something like this that's wild, sour, interesting, complex, expensive to make is why I love beer.

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Freed Roger wrote:I liked the Side Project Cellar - but this is much more my style for trying different beers.
http://www.piasawinery.com/beer.html
Great list at that place. I hope you liked this one if you had it...
Freed Roger wrote:Une Annee Truth Against The World
5.8% ABV Saison
Une Anee Brewery
Chicago, IL
I helped out on the brew day.

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That's cool - and I agree anyone that pays $17 for a beer better get a damn good story with it.

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Freed Roger wrote:I liked the Side Project Cellar [/url]
You must have more money than I do.

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I mean they're low in alcohol, like radlers, but unlike radlers which are cut with soda they're low in alcohol because of the way they're fermented.
Sure, I get that, just not how it's due to alcohol evaporation.
Radler is German for bicyclist. Radlermass is "cyclist's liter," with the beer shortened to just "Radler." It was invented in Bavaria by a German dude around the first world war. Bicyclists would ride through the region. They'd be thirsty. Being German, they wanted beer, but they were on their bikes and couldn't get trashed. He cut beer with soda and the radler was born. Whatever folks are calling a shandy was originally a radler, so radler is the father not the son nomenclature wise.
Thanks. I've always used Shandy as the catch-all and Radler as the one cut with citrus soda. That's interesting.

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lukethedrifter wrote:
Freed Roger wrote:I liked the Side Project Cellar [/url]
You must have more money than I do.
already had a few before going there, so that helps. Civil Life Gordian Knot Bock - I think I got close to 12oz for $6. I think the aged Side Project stuff was the costlier.

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