The Beer Thread

[33anda3rd]

What happened in this thread was someone directly asked me for my opinion on the push-button beer thing and I gave it. Since y'all know me, asking my opinion on something like that you probably know is something that is going to lead to a long-winded opinion on why it's not as good as doing it by hand. I said basically the same thing Haltz said--that it's consistent but just button-pushing--yet for some reason no one seems to take issue with him saying it.

Whatever.

[Arthur Dent]

But what you actually said was this, which is not the same statement at all.

33rd what say you? who gets one of these?

Same guy with little to no concern for quality that owns a Keurig.

I chimed in because I think machines like this or the Brewbot and probably others to come will likely increase the quality of homebrews.

[cardinalkarp]

I think we all understand this.

I think we all don't care either.

Thanks for the page upon page upon page of explanations.

Have a great day!

Here's my method.....buy beer, drink beer, replenish beer.

[33anda3rd]

They'll increase the consistency of homebrews and they will improve the quality of beer brewed by first-, second-, third-time homebrewers. Those guys who make better beer on their first attempt will be making the same quality of beer on their 20th attempt.

They will probably, like the other homebrew equipment, be widely available on secondary/used markets like ebay when people realize that they have to brew a lot of ok beer on a $2000 machine to catch up to the cost of buying excellent beer at a shop, and who don't like cleaning and sanitizing kegs, hoses, and the like. The video shows using a gallon of water and a 5.16g 1/6bbl keg. They will realize that a gallon of beer at a time (if the video that shows the 'master' brewer adding 1G water to the brew is correct), which needs at least a couple weeks to ferment, is largely not worth their time.

They will not create a new and better wave of homebrewers who make interesting beers.

[Popeye_Card]

As a long-time homebrewer, I am heavily considering investing in one of the Braumeister systems. And here is why.

I am not going to become a professional brewer. That much is clear at my age. What is also clear is that the regular method of homebrewing takes far longer than my busy schedule allows. I don't have 8 hours to give up every month to go through the brewing process. What that has meant for my brewing hobby is that instead of brewing a beer every month or so, I finally get time to brew something every year or so instead. Honestly, I've been so busy that the last time I brewed was over 2 years ago.

I brew so infrequently that the importance of every batch coming out right is heightened. I can't afford to just experiment around with sparging temperatures, etc. And honestly, I don't ever want to mess with that stuff. I want to mess around with the ingredients to arrive at a tasty brew. I don't want to be a slave to controlling the process perfectly. That's where the Braumeister steps in. Perfect control of the process every time, with enough flexibility to adjust it for particular recipes. Consistency. That allows me to tweak the inputs (ingredients) to control the output. There's nothing I hate more than spending 5+ hours on brew day, a couple more hours doing some transfers during fermentation, and ending up with a beer that tastes "off" because I wasn't able to control the temperatures well enough brewing outside on a windy day. It's different than smoking meat. Don't like the end result? Smoke another brisket tommorrow. That's more like a 1 month cycle for ales, 3+ months for lagers. Mistakes suck so much ass.

So there you go. I would consider the analogy in this case to be that I could build furniture with all hand tools, and really get into the "craft" angle like I'm [expletive] amish or something. Or I could purchase several power tools and acheive the same results a lot quicker and more consistently. That lets me play around with design and wood species, rather than spending hours pulling a saw back and forth.

[jim]

Popeye what thirds is trying to tell you is that if you buy a Braumeister you will brew a Meister Brau. And if you do - I"m there! I miss that beer!

[Fat_Bulldog]

Another fun thread turned into a dickbag infested [expletive] pile.

[Freed Roger]

http://www.stltoday.com/entertainment/d ... 4517a.html

Kräftig's parent company, Brentwood-based The William K Busch Brewing Co., previously expanded outside its St. Louis base by adding sales in Columbia, Jefferson City, Lake of the Ozarks and Southeast Missouri. The company said it has nearly 2 percent market share in the St. Louis region

I refuse to believe that made up number of nearly 2 percent market share. Billy can tell P-D any # he wants, and they will report it.

[haltz]

He also won't let you pull the empty bottle after it's poured off into a glass. You have to keep it on the tale for advertising. "My dad taught me that" is a direct quote.

[33anda3rd]

He also won't let you pull the empty bottle after it's poured off into a glass. You have to keep it on the tale for advertising. "My dad taught me that" is a direct quote.

I'd probably be reluctant to let him manage my restaurant.

Typically--and I know you know this Haltz, I'm putting it out there for non-industry folks--the brewery gets branded glasses and gives them to the distributor. The distributor then gives them to the bar/restaurant. No one at the retail level is paying for a Weihenstephaner Weisse glass or for a sleeve of Bud Light plastic keg cups. They give that stuff out free. So that the other people in the bar see you drinking a Kraftig beer in a Kraftig glass. If someone wants visibility like that, he is welcome to supply me with glasses. If he wants my staff to behave in a way other than I've trained them to behave, he's welcome to give me glasses and deal with that. Or I can not carry his beer, which is typically his loss, not mine, since there's a ton of beer out there.