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Re: FIST JABBIN' TERRORIST VS. SENILE OLD MAN: THE THREAD

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I don't understand how Gore justifies his own energy use, which has actually increased since he did An Inconvenient Truth. I'm not opposed to his message, but it seems to me that he beats this drum hardest when he's not in office.

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ghostrunner wrote:I don't understand how Gore justifies his own energy use, which has actually increased since he did An Inconvenient Truth. I'm not opposed to his message, but it seems to me that he beats this drum hardest when he's not in office.
Well he tries to by paying premiums on his electicity bill to purchase from renewable sources. But to be honest, I'm not a huge fan of paying money to get out of your obligations to conserve.

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ghostrunner wrote:I don't understand how Gore justifies his own energy use, which has actually increased since he did An Inconvenient Truth. I'm not opposed to his message, but it seems to me that he beats this drum hardest when he's not in office.
Well he tries to by paying premiums on his electicity bill to purchase from renewable sources. But to be honest, I'm not a huge fan of paying money to get out of your obligations to conserve.
Yeah, that's kinda weak. You're still using the energy, and supposed to be setting an example.

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ghostrunner wrote:
Popeye_Card wrote:
ghostrunner wrote:I don't understand how Gore justifies his own energy use, which has actually increased since he did An Inconvenient Truth. I'm not opposed to his message, but it seems to me that he beats this drum hardest when he's not in office.
Well he tries to by paying premiums on his electicity bill to purchase from renewable sources. But to be honest, I'm not a huge fan of paying money to get out of your obligations to conserve.
Yeah, that's kinda weak. You're still using the energy, and supposed to be setting an example.
At the end there, they talk about installing solar panels, etc. which is good. But yeah, pretty weak.

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Swing state polls!

Obama has taken a 2% lead in Nevada - Bush won in 2004
McCain leads by 3& in North Carolina - Bush won in 2004
Obama leads by 16% in Washington - Kerry won by ~200K in 2004
McCain leads by 10% in Arkansas - Bush won in 2004
Obama leads by 9% in Oregon - Kerry won in 2004
Obama leads by 24% in California - Duh
McCains leads by 20% in Kansas - Duh
Obama leads by 5% in Montana - Bush won in 2004
Obama leads by 5% in Missouri - Bush won in 2004

It's believed that Obama is running away with Iowa, which Bush won in 2004. If he holds all the states that Kerry did and adds Iowa, that brings him to 258 electoral votes. The GOP needs a big-time scandal or they have to hope and pray that blue states turn red. I'm not getting my hopes up yet because there's still a lot of time before the election, but this is getting good. My fear is that McCain will add Romney and swing Michigan in his favor.

And read this and ask yourself what the hell is wrong people:
Many Democrats—read that again, Democrats—openly said now that Clinton is out they are determined to vote for Republican John McCain. If this was a decision made up of something intelligible, then I'd understand perfectly. However, these crazy Republicans Democrats offer "reasons" no better than the most stereotypical rednecks in the Republican Party.

One woman, Kristie Hartle of NewYork, a Democrat who has never supported a single Republican candidate in her life, said "I'm Republican all the way now." Hartle's reason: It [Obama's name] sounds to me like a Middle Eastern type of name and whether or not he's born here in the United States, he doesn't seem like, to me, somebody who is trustworthy." As if that wasn't idiotic enough, she then proffers the death blow: "who's to say he's not a terrorist and we just don't realize it yet?"

Though I would love to toss Hartle on to the smelly heap of fatuous Republicans and dismiss her as one of very few ignorant people still left in this country, I can't. And neither can the Obama camp. Truth is, Obama's "weird name," his family background and his skin color, are huge factors in this race because that is about as deeply as some people will ever look.
Most troubling, Hartle is not alone. She has a "friend" in Dean Johnson of Alabama. When asked why he would vote for McCain over Obama, Johnson replied, "I refuse to vote for an Arab to be in my White House."

And then of course, there is the man recently highlighted on CNN's "AC 360," Bob Silverton of Memphis, Tennessee. When interviewed by CNN correspondents and asked why he would not vote for Obama, Silverton said, with a straight face, "Obama said he's about change. Well, the only change I've seen when it comes to blacks is usually in a cup."
And somebody please get Pat Buchanan the hell off my TV screen.

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They should cut his nuts off.

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Polls!!

In Ohio, Obama leads by 8%. It'd be nice if Obama could win this comfortably, but I'm guessing the black vote will be suppressed again.

McCain leads by 5% in Alaska.

McCain leads by 9% in Georgia.

McCain leads by 3% in North Carolina.

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I don't think polls this early are particularly meaningful.

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Arthur Dent wrote:I don't think polls this early are particularly meaningful.
No. And they scare me. I'm not going to get excited about any polls until mid-October.

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G. Keenan wrote:And they scare me.
How's that?

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