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JL21 wrote:They aren't beating you over the head with their CGI, which is a big pet peeve of mine (and probably why I think 'Avatar' looks so freakin' worthless as a film).
FWIW, I have my complaints about Avatar and the CGI isn't one of them. It's not like Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, where it's a complete distraction. And I never felt like "oh, that CGI is impressive" There's a ton of it, but it all serves the story and I wouldn't say it's showy.

The story, OTOH, is one cliche after another. I got past it for the most part, but some of the dialogue is just lame.

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clevername wrote:I'm not going to excuse Cloverfield's horrible characters because the bar is set too low.

It's part of what annoys me about all the Avatar love, even from some well respected critics and film makers. They're letting a clichefest story pass because of the big sparklies Cameron distracted them with and some are using the "it's supposed to be fun" line of defense.

Of course, I also had a blast watching GI Joe in the theater, so what do I know.
I totally agree. I'll see Avatar anyway, but it's sad that I already know exactly what's going to happen just because I saw a preview. Avatar is like the Yankees. Huge budget, will be successful, but at the end of the day, it took about as much thought as what a 5th grader could put forth.

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cards2468 wrote:
clevername wrote:I'm not going to excuse Cloverfield's horrible characters because the bar is set too low.

It's part of what annoys me about all the Avatar love, even from some well respected critics and film makers. They're letting a clichefest story pass because of the big sparklies Cameron distracted them with and some are using the "it's supposed to be fun" line of defense.

Of course, I also had a blast watching GI Joe in the theater, so what do I know.
I totally agree. I'll see Avatar anyway, but it's sad that I already know exactly what's going to happen just because I saw a preview. Avatar is like the Yankees. Huge budget, will be successful, but at the end of the day, it took about as much thought as what a 5th grader could put forth.
and that's fine. Overall I enjoyed Avatar's complete package, but it also let me down after being sold as this really great story that took 15 years to make. As soon as the first trailers started showing up we all knew how this movie's story would be told and that's pretty disappointing.

Sell it to me as a fun movie and I'll have fun with it. Sell it to me as having some dramatic weight and I'll be disappointed when it's the same old same old.

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JL21 wrote:The bigger question is- which Morricone pieces has Tarantino used? I know he's used plenty. But the only truly iconic one is the whistler guy from "The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly". As long as he stays away from that, I'm o.k. with it.

Tarantino's a different animal altogether. He rips things off, but usually it's really, really, crazily obscure stuff that most people don't even know exists- blaxploitation characters, crazy car chase movies, the original Inglorious Bastards (which is very different, but there's plenty of stuff QT borrows). And then he squishes like 10 obscure rip-offs into one film and it comes out as something oddly unique. I guess I'd say I'm a fan in the same way I'm a fan of Adam Dunn or something. The homers and walks are neat but there's not a lot of substance beyond that. And that's cool. I'd never put QT up there with the Bergmans and Bunuels of the world but he's entertaining and fun and makes movies that I enjoy a lot.

Going back a step, I realize it's a fine line, and it's a very subjective one at that, when it comes to determining what constitutes "borrowing" and what constitutes ripping them off. The first 15 minutes of There Will Be Blood- that's a great example of what I'd consider borrowing. Thematically, it's the same as 2001- a silent 15 minute block surrounded by classical music. But it's far from thievery of 2001. Scorsese loves to compose ridiculously long tracking shots like you see in the French New Wave, and he loves to pay homage to the grit of the Italian Neo-realist films. But he's not stealing scenes.
Doesn't look like he's grabbed anything that recognizable, you're right. Nothing I know by name, anyway, which is only a handful of tracks from his westerns and one of the pieces from Days of Heaven. I suppose it's a fair distinction in terms of emotional manipulation/recognition, but again, different strokes.

As for substance, on some level I agree, but I actually think QT's films are fairly cerebral, and not just relatively speaking. On their surfaces I enjoy them most as entertainments (which I don't mean as a denigration) but there's a lot going on beneath the surface in most of his stuff. I think Kill Bill has a lot of emotional depth, and that Inglourious Basterds is a very clever critique of violence in movies as well as of American attitudes towards WW2. And Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown are clever deconstructions of neo-noir and blaxploitation, sort of like if Unforgiven was given a humorous bent to it. I don't hesitate to rank him with my favorite directors - probably not in my top 5, but if so, just shy.

Back to the "borrowing vs. thievery" thing, I see what you're getting at it. I suppose it's just a question of A) where you draw the line and B) how much you care. It's not something that bothers me often, I suppose my bar is set higher.

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The Third Man wrote:Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown are clever deconstructions of neo-noir and blaxploitation, sort of like if Unforgiven was given a humorous bent to it. I don't hesitate to rank him with my favorite directors - probably not in my top 5, but if so, just shy.
Heh... there you go. There's a perfect example of a Tarantino rip-off of something really obscure, so people don't know about it. And just to clarify beforehand, it doesn't bother me with QT at all. The name "Jackie Brown"? Straight-up lifted from a character in "The Friends of Eddie Coyle".

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Didn't know that, heh. I've been meaning to see that but I haven't gotten around to it. I love Robert Mitchum, probably my favorite actor.

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It's excellent. There's a huge cast of character actor-types who support Mitchum and make it that much better as a film.

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The Third Man wrote: I love Robert Mitchum, probably my favorite actor.
heh.. that's funny.. i just said those exact words to someone today

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Did anyone see Sherlock Holmes yet? I'm the anti-film critic and I just thought it was "meh". I like Robert Downey Jr. also.

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I liked much of it, but it didn't bowl me over.

I'm going to be seeing it again with my mom because she really wants to see it. We'll see if it settles better the 2nd time.

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