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If they did all end up in Miami they would also have the crappiest #4-10 players in history.

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Rieges wrote:I know that you want him to stay but do you really believe that the Cavs give him the best chance to win championships now and in the near future?
Next season? Nope. The season after? Maybe. The year after that and in to the future? I'd say they have about as good a chance as anyone else.
I'm just saying that if he stays it's not the MOST important thing to him, it's loyalty/feeling comfortable in Ohio and/or getting a bigger deal by staying home.
I don't think that's necessarily true. It's a bit naive and rose colored glasses/kool aid [expletive], I admit, but how much do we actually know of the Cavs' plans or what they are working as far as sign and trades and what not. But it's possible LeBron sees their long term plan as providing an opportunity to win more championships over the course of the contract than say Chicago or Miami or NY or NJ.

At the end of the day we won't ever really know why he chooses the team he plays for, and I'd like to see the kid get the monkey off his back - wherever that may be. And all we can do is speculate and figure out what happens.

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cardsfansince82 wrote:If they did all end up in Miami they would also have the crappiest #4-10 players in history.
I know what you mean, but that somehow also worked for the Celtics (who admittedly did surprisingly well with guys like Kendrick Perkins and Tony Allen, plus finding guys like Rondo and to a lesser extent Davis in the draft).

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vinsanity wrote:
Rieges wrote:I know that you want him to stay but do you really believe that the Cavs give him the best chance to win championships now and in the near future?
Next season? Nope. The season after? Maybe. The year after that and in to the future? I'd say they have about as good a chance as anyone else.
I'm just saying that if he stays it's not the MOST important thing to him, it's loyalty/feeling comfortable in Ohio and/or getting a bigger deal by staying home.
I don't think that's necessarily true. It's a bit naive and rose colored glasses/kool aid [expletive], I admit, but how much do we actually know of the Cavs' plans or what they are working as far as sign and trades and what not. But it's possible LeBron sees their long term plan as providing an opportunity to win more championships over the course of the contract than say Chicago or Miami or NY or NJ.

At the end of the day we won't ever really know why he chooses the team he plays for, and I'd like to see the kid get the monkey off his back - wherever that may be. And all we can do is speculate and figure out what happens.
We'll find out soon enough how this plays out but I'll be shocked if the Cavs are able to do anything to improve their team from last season and their championship hopes aren't great for future unless all of the big FAs from this off-season split up and go to separate teams which isn't likely.

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It sounds like LeBron doesn't want to be Michael Jordan, he wants to be Michael Jackson--a global billionaire. Too bad Houston doesn't have the cap space. Playing with Yao (where is his recovery at, BTW?) would be great for his purposes. NYC, Brooklyn or LA just seem like the best place for him to build his brand. Chicago is a huge market, though. Jordan did pretty well for himself there. And basketball has grown an awful lot internationally since MJ's days. Anyway, I'm off to YouTube to watch MJ and MJ in 'Jam.'

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Rieges wrote:We'll find out soon enough how this plays out but I'll be shocked if the Cavs are able to do anything to improve their team from last season and their championship hopes aren't great for future unless all of the big FAs from this off-season split up and go to separate teams which isn't likely.
A trade for Chris Paul? There'll be some decent players hitting the market in the next two years that can improve that team. I think they are adding by subtraction with Shaq. If Mo Williams or Jamison mature a little and can pick up some slack if James has an off night - they are in the finals this year. I'm sure the Bulls would hate to see it (and I don't know how he compares to Mo), but isn't Washington looking to move Hinrich?

There's plenty of things they can do after this season.
MrSaigon wrote:It sounds like LeBron doesn't want to be Michael Jordan, he wants to be Michael Jackson--a global billionaire. Too bad Houston doesn't have the cap space. Playing with Yao (where is his recovery at, BTW?) would be great for his purposes. NYC, Brooklyn or LA just seem like the best place for him to build his brand.
That's an interesting thought, it really is. I really wouldn't count out NJ with Jay-Z up there and the Russian owner if he really wants to go global. I guess I'm kind of pulling for the under-dogs here. Rumors will be flying all day and night.

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It will be interesting to see if Cleveland can pull this rabbit out of their hat. Could they lay a big enough guilt trip on LBJ to get him to stay?

They may not be able to clear cap room for another FA this year, but they could conceiveably do it within a year or two, no?

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MrSaigon wrote:It sounds like LeBron doesn't want to be Michael Jordan, he wants to be Michael Jackson--a global billionaire.
Michael Jordan is a global billionaire.

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thrill wrote:
MrSaigon wrote:It sounds like LeBron doesn't want to be Michael Jordan, he wants to be Michael Jackson--a global billionaire.
Michael Jordan is a global billionaire.
I was alluding to the fact that LeBron wants the Beatles' catalog. But seriously, I think there is a big difference between the MJs and LeBron wants to be more like the man in the mirror, if any of the things I'm reading are accurate (and unlike Bulls fans I'll concede that maybe they aren't--just kidding).

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vinsanity wrote: A trade for Chris Paul?
Wow. In all seriousness, what pieces do you think the Cavs have that would even remotely entice the Hornets to trade Paul?
vinsanity wrote: There'll be some decent players hitting the market in the next two years that can improve that team. I think they are adding by subtraction with Shaq. If Mo Williams or Jamison mature a little and can pick up some slack if James has an off night - they are in the finals this year. I'm sure the Bulls would hate to see it (and I don't know how he compares to Mo), but isn't Washington looking to move Hinrich?
Jamison is 34 and has played in the post-season 6 out of the last 9 seasons. I'm not sure what maturing you think he'll do. As for Cleveland getting to the finals this year, anything is possible of course but can you honestly tell me that the Cavs are better positioned than the Magic, Celtics, or the Heat and Bulls with 2 max FAs a piece?

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