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Transmogrified Tiger wrote:I'm in the middle of reading Verducci's book that talks about this at length. Character is probably the wrong word to use, because it's not talking about having a moral high ground or only having boy scouts on your team. The idea was that some human/subjective attributes(ability to deal with failure, being helpful to your teammates, etc) had become undervalued now that every front office is SABR-savvy. One of the examples the book talks about is being sure Rizzo was going to be a leader on the team after he charged the Cincinnati dugout(and Chapman himself, ironically enough) a few years back, which is not a good guy or 'high character' thing to do. Another talks favorably about Schwarber cussing up a storm when Theo interviewed him pre-draft and mentioning that they weren't sold on him as a catcher. There's obviously a lot of hindsight involved and there's plenty of room for that emphasis to be wrong or over-inflated, but they aren't saying that they're prioritizing better human beings.
This. Though that was true long before Twitter.pioneer98 wrote:Transmogrified Tiger wrote:I'm in the middle of reading Verducci's book that talks about this at length. Character is probably the wrong word to use, because it's not talking about having a moral high ground or only having boy scouts on your team. The idea was that some human/subjective attributes(ability to deal with failure, being helpful to your teammates, etc) had become undervalued now that every front office is SABR-savvy. One of the examples the book talks about is being sure Rizzo was going to be a leader on the team after he charged the Cincinnati dugout(and Chapman himself, ironically enough) a few years back, which is not a good guy or 'high character' thing to do. Another talks favorably about Schwarber cussing up a storm when Theo interviewed him pre-draft and mentioning that they weren't sold on him as a catcher. There's obviously a lot of hindsight involved and there's plenty of room for that emphasis to be wrong or over-inflated, but they aren't saying that they're prioritizing better human beings.
Since you have to fit everything into a tweet these days, your paragraph above gets boiled down to "their character".
FWIW the same exact thing happened with "The Cardinals Way" or even "BFIB". It started with some small, nuanced point someone was trying to make, which was very likely a valid point. Very quickly all nuance was lost and it became "they think they're better'n everyone else".
If that was the case with "The Cardinal Way," they comically missed the point. "The Cardinal Way" is a literally a book on baseball. Like, when to bunt, where to play the infield, etc.pioneer98 wrote:Transmogrified Tiger wrote:I'm in the middle of reading Verducci's book that talks about this at length. Character is probably the wrong word to use, because it's not talking about having a moral high ground or only having boy scouts on your team. The idea was that some human/subjective attributes(ability to deal with failure, being helpful to your teammates, etc) had become undervalued now that every front office is SABR-savvy. One of the examples the book talks about is being sure Rizzo was going to be a leader on the team after he charged the Cincinnati dugout(and Chapman himself, ironically enough) a few years back, which is not a good guy or 'high character' thing to do. Another talks favorably about Schwarber cussing up a storm when Theo interviewed him pre-draft and mentioning that they weren't sold on him as a catcher. There's obviously a lot of hindsight involved and there's plenty of room for that emphasis to be wrong or over-inflated, but they aren't saying that they're prioritizing better human beings.
Since you have to fit everything into a tweet these days, your paragraph above gets boiled down to "their character".
FWIW the same exact thing happened with "The Cardinals Way" or even "BFIB". It started with some small, nuanced point someone was trying to make, which was very likely a valid point. Very quickly all nuance was lost and it became "they think they're better'n everyone else".
When I've heard announcers wax on about "The Cardinal Way" they have never once mentioned a book.MrCrowesGarden wrote:If that was the case with "The Cardinal Way," they comically missed the point. "The Cardinal Way" is a literally a book on baseball. Like, when to bunt, where to play the infield, etc.pioneer98 wrote:Transmogrified Tiger wrote:I'm in the middle of reading Verducci's book that talks about this at length. Character is probably the wrong word to use, because it's not talking about having a moral high ground or only having boy scouts on your team. The idea was that some human/subjective attributes(ability to deal with failure, being helpful to your teammates, etc) had become undervalued now that every front office is SABR-savvy. One of the examples the book talks about is being sure Rizzo was going to be a leader on the team after he charged the Cincinnati dugout(and Chapman himself, ironically enough) a few years back, which is not a good guy or 'high character' thing to do. Another talks favorably about Schwarber cussing up a storm when Theo interviewed him pre-draft and mentioning that they weren't sold on him as a catcher. There's obviously a lot of hindsight involved and there's plenty of room for that emphasis to be wrong or over-inflated, but they aren't saying that they're prioritizing better human beings.
Since you have to fit everything into a tweet these days, your paragraph above gets boiled down to "their character".
FWIW the same exact thing happened with "The Cardinals Way" or even "BFIB". It started with some small, nuanced point someone was trying to make, which was very likely a valid point. Very quickly all nuance was lost and it became "they think they're better'n everyone else".
Then they are being irresponsible. Hazelbaker et al. learn how to play in the minors because of a handbook made by George Kissell: "The Cardinal Way."pioneer98 wrote:When I've heard announcers wax on about "The Cardinal Way" they have never once mentioned a book.MrCrowesGarden wrote:If that was the case with "The Cardinal Way," they comically missed the point. "The Cardinal Way" is a literally a book on baseball. Like, when to bunt, where to play the infield, etc.pioneer98 wrote:Transmogrified Tiger wrote:I'm in the middle of reading Verducci's book that talks about this at length. Character is probably the wrong word to use, because it's not talking about having a moral high ground or only having boy scouts on your team. The idea was that some human/subjective attributes(ability to deal with failure, being helpful to your teammates, etc) had become undervalued now that every front office is SABR-savvy. One of the examples the book talks about is being sure Rizzo was going to be a leader on the team after he charged the Cincinnati dugout(and Chapman himself, ironically enough) a few years back, which is not a good guy or 'high character' thing to do. Another talks favorably about Schwarber cussing up a storm when Theo interviewed him pre-draft and mentioning that they weren't sold on him as a catcher. There's obviously a lot of hindsight involved and there's plenty of room for that emphasis to be wrong or over-inflated, but they aren't saying that they're prioritizing better human beings.
Since you have to fit everything into a tweet these days, your paragraph above gets boiled down to "their character".
FWIW the same exact thing happened with "The Cardinals Way" or even "BFIB". It started with some small, nuanced point someone was trying to make, which was very likely a valid point. Very quickly all nuance was lost and it became "they think they're better'n everyone else".
It's usually mentioned when talking about someone like Hazelbaker, who comes up from the minors red hot... they are trying to say something about how "ready" the Cards' minor league system makes players for MLB or something like that.
Hazelbaker was 28, 29 by time he was in the org. Kissell's book had nada to do with development.MrCrowesGarden wrote:Then they are being irresponsible. Hazelbaker et al. learn how to play in the minors because of a handbook made by George Kissell: "The Cardinal Way."pioneer98 wrote:When I've heard announcers wax on about "The Cardinal Way" they have never once mentioned a book.MrCrowesGarden wrote:If that was the case with "The Cardinal Way," they comically missed the point. "The Cardinal Way" is a literally a book on baseball. Like, when to bunt, where to play the infield, etc.pioneer98 wrote:Transmogrified Tiger wrote:I'm in the middle of reading Verducci's book that talks about this at length. Character is probably the wrong word to use, because it's not talking about having a moral high ground or only having boy scouts on your team. The idea was that some human/subjective attributes(ability to deal with failure, being helpful to your teammates, etc) had become undervalued now that every front office is SABR-savvy. One of the examples the book talks about is being sure Rizzo was going to be a leader on the team after he charged the Cincinnati dugout(and Chapman himself, ironically enough) a few years back, which is not a good guy or 'high character' thing to do. Another talks favorably about Schwarber cussing up a storm when Theo interviewed him pre-draft and mentioning that they weren't sold on him as a catcher. There's obviously a lot of hindsight involved and there's plenty of room for that emphasis to be wrong or over-inflated, but they aren't saying that they're prioritizing better human beings.
Since you have to fit everything into a tweet these days, your paragraph above gets boiled down to "their character".
FWIW the same exact thing happened with "The Cardinals Way" or even "BFIB". It started with some small, nuanced point someone was trying to make, which was very likely a valid point. Very quickly all nuance was lost and it became "they think they're better'n everyone else".
It's usually mentioned when talking about someone like Hazelbaker, who comes up from the minors red hot... they are trying to say something about how "ready" the Cards' minor league system makes players for MLB or something like that.
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Has Matheny read it?MrCrowesGarden wrote:If that was the case with "The Cardinal Way," they comically missed the point. "The Cardinal Way" is a literally a book on baseball. Like, when to bunt, where to play the infield, etc.pioneer98 wrote:Transmogrified Tiger wrote:I'm in the middle of reading Verducci's book that talks about this at length. Character is probably the wrong word to use, because it's not talking about having a moral high ground or only having boy scouts on your team. The idea was that some human/subjective attributes(ability to deal with failure, being helpful to your teammates, etc) had become undervalued now that every front office is SABR-savvy. One of the examples the book talks about is being sure Rizzo was going to be a leader on the team after he charged the Cincinnati dugout(and Chapman himself, ironically enough) a few years back, which is not a good guy or 'high character' thing to do. Another talks favorably about Schwarber cussing up a storm when Theo interviewed him pre-draft and mentioning that they weren't sold on him as a catcher. There's obviously a lot of hindsight involved and there's plenty of room for that emphasis to be wrong or over-inflated, but they aren't saying that they're prioritizing better human beings.
Since you have to fit everything into a tweet these days, your paragraph above gets boiled down to "their character".
FWIW the same exact thing happened with "The Cardinals Way" or even "BFIB". It started with some small, nuanced point someone was trying to make, which was very likely a valid point. Very quickly all nuance was lost and it became "they think they're better'n everyone else".