Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin

[wart57]

well, I think most reasonable parts of the US population agree that doing something to hurt someone else shouldn't be allowed to happen...the same cannot obviously be said for early term (within a couple of weeks) abortion...

and again I state that I am anti-abortion (at least 1000% against abortion after the first 3 weeks or so, before that I'm not real sure, I just haven't seen a convincing argument either way...mostly because my gut instinct is that I don't have a problem with the pills that have come out recently that can be taken within days of unprotected sex), so you're not really arguing with me...

if people would just have responsible sex we would all be better off...take a birth control pill for crying out loud...it's not abortion, it's basically just doing the same thing you're body does at the end of each cycle or it's just reducing the frequency of the cycles...there's no killing of babies in birth control....none...unless masturbation is also killing babies...there are also these things called condoms that work pretty well...


anyway, I think I've said my peace on abortion (which again, I do not support)...and I believe it would be nice to talk about something else...

like Simony...

Works for me.
Peace.

[Leroy]

I just think about baseball.

[docellis]

Personally I don't see much difference, in an abortion someone is breaking in to that babies home and killing it.

1. The breaking and entering part makes it pretty different
2. The mother gave birth to the baby makes it pretty different
3. The violence of killing someone else's family member makes it pretty different

I don't think this is a very good comparison....

[Socnorb11]

well, I think most reasonable parts of the US population agree that doing something to hurt someone else shouldn't be allowed to happen...the same cannot obviously be said for early term (within a couple of weeks) abortion...

and again I state that I am anti-abortion (at least 1000% against abortion after the first 3 weeks or so, before that I'm not real sure, I just haven't seen a convincing argument either way...mostly because my gut instinct is that I don't have a problem with the pills that have come out recently that can be taken within days of unprotected sex), so you're not really arguing with me...

if people would just have responsible sex we would all be better off...take a birth control pill for crying out loud...it's not abortion, it's basically just doing the same thing you're body does at the end of each cycle or it's just reducing the frequency of the cycles...there's no killing of babies in birth control....none...unless masturbation is also killing babies...there are also these things called condoms that work pretty well...


anyway, I think I've said my peace on abortion (which again, I do not support)...and I believe it would be nice to talk about something else...

like Simony...

Works for me.
Peace.

Works for me, too.

I respect your position Wart, and I'm glad that things worked out well for your little sister/niece.

[tenniseleven]

we seem to agree on most other things though...

I also believe in the right to own a firearm...not for any outdoorsy reason, but for the reason that the founding fathers intended...so that the government isn't the only entity in the country with them, b/c I just don't trust my government that much....

Gun control, though, is up for debate, as it would be nice to have all the big boy guns off the streets...

as for the illegalization of drugs that's happened over the past 25 years, we're probably in disagreement...again, I just don't like the idea of the government making too many moral decisions for it's people...and I see the good side of legalizing at least certain classes of drugs (like keeping drug related crimes down, keeping the black youth out of jail and in school/work, not to mention the tax benefits to the society)

I'm probably on a government list now, although I've probably been on one for quite a while now considering some of the books I've checked out of the library....

[jim]

I don't believe in the death penalty.
I believe we all should have the right to own a gun, but some guns should be outlawed.

Which ones?

I don't think illegal drugs should be legalized.

Alcohol is ok, but marijuana is not? Why?

I think church and state need to be separate, but all religions need to be treated the same way, if Muslim and Jewish people are to be respected for their beliefs, so should Christians.

Only Christians are able to get their creation story introduced into public schools under the guise of "Creationism". I can't even call it a psuedo-science, because it's not. It's simply the Christian interpretation of creation, yet it gets a sentence or two (and even chapters) in most HS textbooks.

If we truly held to the 1st amendment wart, your sentence would be true but Christians would not be happy.

Personally I don't see much difference, in an abortion someone is breaking in to that babies home and killing it. But that is only my belief and I am not trying to tell everyone who does not believe it they are wrong and need to change their minds. I also do not judge anyone who has had an abortion, it is not for me to judge them.

I think there is a pretty big difference.

[greenback44]

LOL, ABC News says Palin belonged to the Alaskan Independence Party, who favor some sort of Alaskan secession, in the 1990s.

[Schlich]

Only Christians are able to get their creation story introduced into public schools under the guise of "Creationism". I can't even call it a psuedo-science, because it's not. It's simply the Christian interpretation of creation, yet it gets a sentence or two (and even chapters) in most HS textbooks.

This is hilarious. When's the last time you've opened a HS textbook?

[planet planet]

I don't think illegal drugs should be legalized.

Alcohol is ok, but marijuana is not? Why?

LOL, I love this board. Of the lighter, "gateway" drugs, marijuana is the most innocuous in my opinion. Either way, if you don't abuse alcohol or marijuana, both are fine. I don't use marijuana, but I'm close to several people that do and many times, there are positive medicinal effects, especially those suffering from severe diseases, glaucoma, or intestinal afflictions. I did date a guy for four years (awhile ago) who wasn't a dealer per se, but grew his own, and donated a large portion of his yield to the Angel program for people suffering with AIDS, cancer, etc. If you do abuse, IMO, it's much less disruptive to abuse marijuana than to abuse alcohol.

[TimeForGuinness]

I love when people think that if abortion is illegal...things will change.

The only things that will change are the "miscarriage" stats will skyrocket.
Possibly, more women will either permanently hurt themselves or even die.

The choice doesn't change...the only that changes is the safety of the mother.



Keep it legal, keep it a choice, keep it safe