lukethedrifter wrote:Very true. Still, I bet Pinkel is nervous as hell about losing the Texas connect he has established.
From what I can gather, I don't think it would be a huge issue. Pinkel has pointed out when asked that it's about the relationships you establish with coaches and where your assistants are. If they keep a presence in Texas, I don't think you'd see more than a stray commit or two go away, since they only play in Texas about once a year, and in the B10 they could see every game on the B10 network.
I have to believe that those are words used by a head coach trying to keep everyone in the Tiger fan family calm.
Think about it though. For those kids and families in Texas, what's different? They'd be available on TV more often, and they'd lose their annual game in the state(although Lubbock is just as far as CoMo for many of them). If the coaches are still recruiting there, the players are still coming there, and with the success Mizzou has had with guys like Daniel, Alexander, Weatherspoon, etc, there's not a lot of reason to think they still wouldn't come to Columbia.
As to why Pinkel doesn't recruit in Ohio now, it's a matter of priorities. There's only so many assistants, and without being in the Big 10 there's little motivation to go to a school 10 hours away where you have worse TV exposure(and your family will never see you play).
I'll just repeat that I don't believe going to the Big 10 means Pinkel can no longer recruit Texas just that I think you're whistling in the dark if you think the change means little to nothing.
lukethedrifter wrote:I'll just repeat that I don't believe going to the Big 10 means Pinkel can no longer recruit Texas just that I think you're whistling in the dark if you think the change means little to nothing.
The thing about Texas is that Mizzou isn't in a bunch of battles for the players they get from there. They just scout the area very well and find undervalued players. I mean, Weatherspoon was going to go to Houston, Alexander had offers from Baylor and SMU. Their recruiting strategy basically amounts to "lock down Missouri's best players, and supplement with coachable athletes from Texas". I'm not going to begrudge anyone who thinks that moving to a more northern conference would change that, but I don't think a change would be more than a stray commit or two, like I said earlier.
lukethedrifter wrote:I'll just repeat that I don't believe going to the Big 10 means Pinkel can no longer recruit Texas just that I think you're whistling in the dark if you think the change means little to nothing.
The thing about Texas is that Mizzou isn't in a bunch of battles for the players they get from there. They just scout the area very well and find undervalued players. I mean, Weatherspoon was going to go to Houston, Alexander had offers from Baylor and SMU. Their recruiting strategy basically amounts to "lock down Missouri's best players, and supplement with coachable athletes from Texas". I'm not going to begrudge anyone who thinks that moving to a more northern conference would change that, but I don't think a change would be more than a stray commit or two, like I said earlier.
I guess I just think there's a hazard of Mizzou becoming Indiana, irrelevant to Texas kids, to oversimplify.
lukethedrifter wrote:I'll just repeat that I don't believe going to the Big 10 means Pinkel can no longer recruit Texas just that I think you're whistling in the dark if you think the change means little to nothing.
The thing about Texas is that Mizzou isn't in a bunch of battles for the players they get from there. They just scout the area very well and find undervalued players. I mean, Weatherspoon was going to go to Houston, Alexander had offers from Baylor and SMU. Their recruiting strategy basically amounts to "lock down Missouri's best players, and supplement with coachable athletes from Texas". I'm not going to begrudge anyone who thinks that moving to a more northern conference would change that, but I don't think a change would be more than a stray commit or two, like I said earlier.
I guess I just think there's a hazard of Mizzou becoming Indiana, irrelevant to Texas kids, to oversimplify.
But Mizzou is currently relevent cause they play in the same conference? I think you might be over valuing conference affiliation in recruiting.
lukethedrifter wrote:I'll just repeat that I don't believe going to the Big 10 means Pinkel can no longer recruit Texas just that I think you're whistling in the dark if you think the change means little to nothing.
The thing about Texas is that Mizzou isn't in a bunch of battles for the players they get from there. They just scout the area very well and find undervalued players. I mean, Weatherspoon was going to go to Houston, Alexander had offers from Baylor and SMU. Their recruiting strategy basically amounts to "lock down Missouri's best players, and supplement with coachable athletes from Texas". I'm not going to begrudge anyone who thinks that moving to a more northern conference would change that, but I don't think a change would be more than a stray commit or two, like I said earlier.
I guess I just think there's a hazard of Mizzou becoming Indiana, irrelevant to Texas kids, to oversimplify.
But Mizzou is currently relevent cause they play in the same conference? I think you might be over valuing conference affiliation in recruiting.
No no no no no. They put in tons of work to get where they are. You guys aren't going to make me link all of the Big Ten schools' rosters with players' hometown, are you?
If you guys think it means nothing, I think you are silly. And I think Gary Pinkel agrees with me. That doesn't mean I think he's just going to give up on the connections he's made though. I just think he is somewhat concerned and should be.
So instead of recruiting kids from Texas now they can recruit kids from Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania. It's a trade off but you don't lose that much in the process.
lukethedrifter wrote:No no no no no. They put in tons of work to get where they are. You guys aren't going to make me link all of the Big Ten schools' rosters with players' hometown, are you?
If you guys think it means nothing, I think you are silly. And I think Gary Pinkel agrees with me. That doesn't mean I think he's just going to give up on the connections he's made though. I just think he is somewhat concerned and should be.
I'm not saying it doens't mean anything, I'm saying if Pinkel is going to recruit well in Ohio it has more to do with his ties to Toledo and Akron than it does playing in the same conference as Ohio State.
JoeMcKim wrote:So instead of recruiting kids from Texas now they can recruit kids from Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania. It's a trade off but you don't lose that much in the process.
Pinkel has also made Mizzou into an attractive place for blue chip QBs and WRs.
IF the B-10 thing happens, I expect that Mizzou will still do OK on getting useful players out of Texas--maybe not as many as they do as a B-12 member, but they'll probably do alright.
What Mizzou is doing in Texas is landing good numbers of solid 3 star guys that are the foundation of all top 20 or better programs. I expect that they'll be able to do the same if there is a league change.
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