Simbagal23 wrote:I'd have to say the atmospheres are very similar at Wrigley and Fenway.....Wrigley does have much crappier views, which I'm sure is why many people get drunk. My seats at a Cards-Cubs game many moons ago only allowed me to see the infield and a small part of the outfield....I remember losing sight of Brian Jordan as he ran back to the wall to catch a ball. I had to go by crowd reaction.....
Fenway, as I recall, had very small seats and teeny-weeny beers that cost something like a trazillion dollars. The bathrooms at both stadiums are just plain awful. The views at Fenway were great.....
Plenty of drunk obnoxious fans at Fenway, too, though.......well, at any stadium for that matter!
Really? I thought the Fenway crowd was much closer to Cardinal fans in terms of being into the actual game than a typical Wrigley crowd. Both atmospheres are great, but I thought Wrigley was a little more general party vs Fenway being totally about the game. And yes the seats and aisles are very small at Fenway, but the bathrooms were better than at B3. I think they did alot of remodeling recently, I'm wondering if you were there pre- remodeling or something. But seriuosly, cleanest bathrooms I have ever been at in a ballpark.
Wrigley is so awesome though as well, even though I liked Fenway a little better. A Card/Cub game at Wrigley is something every Cardinal fan should do at least once in their life.
I went to a couple of games at Fenway, not sure if it was pre-remodel (I'll have to check the internet) but the bathrooms were awful, not as bad as Wrigley but sill pretty bad. The Wrigley atmosphere was more like a party, however, it was a weekend Cards-Cubs game. While the Cards-Sox game I attended was a week night, so pretty tame. I guess when I say atmosphere, I really mean the old ballpark, packed stadium...and general buzz in the air. Both sets of fans truly love their teams.....had I been to a Yanks-Sox game, I'm sure it would have been MUCH different.
Ok, gotcha with the old thing. Fenway and Wrigley are both what baseball parks should be imo. Both 1 and 2(in that order) of places I like to see a game. My 3rd favorite place is so far behind those two, and I don't even know which park it would be.
jim wrote:Ok, gotcha with the old thing. Fenway and Wrigley are both what baseball parks should be imo. Both 1 and 2(in that order) of places I like to see a game. My 3rd favorite place is so far behind those two, and I don't even know which park it would be.
I've never been to a game at Fenway - just driven by it in the offseason. Something I have to do soon. I'm confident that it would rank either 1 or 2 with Wrigley. I still miss Sportman's Park, after all, so old does it for me.
What would be 3rd for me? I went to a game at Yankee Stadium and kept thinking what it was like before being gutted in the mid-70s, so that's out (although I did enjoy it). Of the new parks I've been to, I think I would have to go with Camden Yards (with Coors not far behind). Haven't been to Dodger Stadium or AT&T Park - those might contend for #3 on my list.
jim wrote:Ok, gotcha with the old thing. Fenway and Wrigley are both what baseball parks should be imo. Both 1 and 2(in that order) of places I like to see a game. My 3rd favorite place is so far behind those two, and I don't even know which park it would be.
I've never been to a game at Fenway - just driven by it in the offseason. Something I have to do soon. I'm confident that it would rank either 1 or 2 with Wrigley. I still miss Sportman's Park, after all, so old does it for me.
What would be 3rd for me? I went to a game at Yankee Stadium and kept thinking what it was like before being gutted in the mid-70s, so that's out (although I did enjoy it). Of the new parks I've been to, I think I would have to go with Camden Yards (with Coors not far behind). Haven't been to Dodger Stadium or AT&T Park - those might contend for #3 on my list.
I haven't been to Camden Yards yet....would love to. I enjoyed Cleveland's stadium....
I've only been to Wrigley once, and those were seats right behind the visitors' dugout; none of the bleacher bums there - the fans around me were not only very knowledgable, but appeared to know each other fairly well.
If I had to judge the intelligence of Cardinal fans by the comments I hear around me at the stadium, I would not have a very high opinion of their smarts.
Popeye_Card wrote:If I had to judge the intelligence of Cardinal fans by the comments I hear around me at the stadium, I would not have a very high opinion of their smarts.
Popeye_Card wrote:If I had to judge the intelligence of Cardinal fans by the comments I hear around me at the stadium, I would not have a very high opinion of their smarts.
I'd have to agree w/ Popeye. Either I just don't have much luck w/ sitting by knowledgable fans or our fanbase isn't as baseball saavy as its made out to be.
Popeye_Card wrote:If I had to judge the intelligence of Cardinal fans by the comments I hear around me at the stadium, I would not have a very high opinion of their smarts.
I'd have to agree w/ Popeye. Either I just don't have much luck w/ sitting by knowledgable fans or our fanbase isn't as baseball saavy as its made out to be.
It's not even a SABR-dumb or anything like that (like saying Aaron Miles is a good hitter because he hits .300 or something). It's ridiculously dumb statements, like "I think Preston Wilson is a really good player.", or "Is Carpenter starting tomorrow?" when Carpenter had Tommy John surgery 2 months ago. Or when you hear them filling out their All-Star ballots, and they say guys are having "great years" when in fact they're off to a terrible start.
I wouldn't mind if it was just the occasional comment, but sometimes I sit next to people who will not shut up the entire game, and acting like they're some kind of Cardinal/baseball expert, when in fact they are complete idiots.
Popeye_Card wrote:If I had to judge the intelligence of Cardinal fans by the comments I hear around me at the stadium, I would not have a very high opinion of their smarts.
I'd have to agree w/ Popeye. Either I just don't have much luck w/ sitting by knowledgable fans or our fanbase isn't as baseball saavy as its made out to be.
It's not even a SABR-dumb or anything like that (like saying Aaron Miles is a good hitter because he hits .300 or something). It's ridiculously dumb statements, like "I think Preston Wilson is a really good player.", or "Is Carpenter starting tomorrow?" when Carpenter had Tommy John surgery 2 months ago. Or when you hear them filling out their All-Star ballots, and they say guys are having "great years" when in fact they're off to a terrible start.
I wouldn't mind if it was just the occasional comment, but sometimes I sit next to people who will not shut up the entire game, and acting like they're some kind of Cardinal/baseball expert, when in fact they are complete idiots.
Yeah, I wasn't talking about them not being able to talk statistics. I'm talking about, flat out dumb and completely misinformed statements.
