KyCardinalFan wrote:It's not like any ND fan is walking around the board proclaiming how great they are and how much better than you they are, yet you still find the need to attack them?
There are enough ND grads in the world, one doesn't need to hear from them on this board.
Heh, fair enough and I can understand the sentiment. But the point was two fold:
1. There are jerk fans for every team. The Cardinals, Mizzou, ND and NYY. I think some people just excuse the behavior of their team.
2. It was unprovoked attack on Notre Dame in a thread about Nebraska. Why?
KyCardinalFan wrote:But I'm glad we are such a classy group of people that we take sooooooo much pleasure in other teams (New York, Chicago, ND, Nebraska etc etc)
That's part of fandom and having
your team (whoever they may be). Rivalries are a big part of sports, especially college sports.
ThatGuy wrote:Did you just start watching sports today? It's not exactly strange/wrong for fans of one team to enjoy the failures of another team.
Sorry, but I'm not going to feel guilty for rooting against the Cubs, Yankees, etc. No dice.
Yes, and I was born in the dark last night. I'm so naive I don't think McGwire did steroids and the Easter Bunny is real.
I'm not asking you to root against your team or trying to suggest rivalries aren't part of sports.
My point was just that why do people always relish in someone else's misery, even when it's unconnected to their own success or failure. If the Cardinals are tied with the Cubs you'd be rooting against the Cardinals if you didn't hope the Cubs lost. But I was too busy watching good baseball, enjoying Colorado's hot streak and lamenting the Cardinals woes to relish the Cubs loss. Woo they had 3 more post-season games than us but still got booted! Whoopee.
To suggest rooting against a team is wrong would be hypocritical and extremely naive. But that doesn't mean you have blast a teams fans and their coaching choices because you don't like them. I don't like USC or any team that makes a dynasty for that matter. Did I root against Ohio State in the Title Game last year? Or USC the year before? Bet your ass I did. But that doesn't mean after it was over I went around and rubbed in that teams face and blasted them for it. I'm not saying you can't root against Notre Dame, but is it necessary to make inflammatory derogatory posts about a team?
Popeye_Card wrote:As for the rest, I guess justify it in your mind however you want. Notre Dame hasn't beaten a legitimately good team in the Weis era since September 10th, 2005 when they beat Michigan. And now they're having their asses handed to them by any team they play. Weis may have an awesome eye for talent, and may be the best coach ever, but it certainly isn't showing up on the field.
Justifying my defense for your blatantly ignorant attack on a team and their coach that was undeserved? You are hardly more than a troll sometimes. You're ignorant blakent statements (Getting their asses handed to them by any team they play - Hmmm 2 points to Navy, 13 points to #4 BC is hardly getting your ass handed to you) display it. Correct they haven't beaten a BCS Bowl team in 2 years. Legitimately good is up for debate (I don't fancy MSU, Purdue, UCLA, Penn State last year bad teams).
I've never said he's best coach ever, the fact you insinuate anyone said it is again just trolling - I can't believe I even bother to respond to it. Correct it isn't showing up on the field. One big difference from Weis from Willingham and Davie is no prior college experience. Is it possible his eye for talent is great, but he hasn't quite grasped recruiting for his system? You can have the 5 best O-Linemen or the Best QB and Best WR but unless there is a level of trust and cooperation between them its worthless.
RC21 wrote:Verbatim, I said "without getting into the race thing". You didn't hear about the race thing. Calm down.
It wasn't directed at you, apologies. The mere fact you had to mention that you weren't going to get in to it says plenty about it. I feel that race had nothing to do with it but its still plastered on the media and around the country anyway.
RC21 wrote:Weis, Willingham, and Davie all had the same record, more or less, through three years. Thus far, only one of them has been fired. One is working on a contract extension that precludes him from being fired and the other, Davie, got two more years.
Weis got his Extenison during a 9 - 3 campaign where they technically beat the Defending National Champs. The program looked like it had turned a corner and they had the coach they wanted...what's wrong with extending him?
Davie was accepted because he was an assistant to Holtz and an 'insider'.
Ty had no connections with ND other than he was their second choice when the G-Tech left for lying on his resume. As far as I can tell Weis had interest and was available and they didn't like the way Ty was running the program. So they got the guy they wanted, when he succeeded they tried to lock up him. Then things went south. Oh well.
Yes all three had similar seasons after 3. Two were part of the ND circle prior to their Head Coaching job, one wasn't. The one that wasn't was fired. Might that explain it?
Davie went 7 - 6, 9 - 3 and 5 - 7 in his first 3 years. So his third season followed the teams First BCS game, and was 14-10 in two seasons. Ty was 11-11 in his second and third years. Under Ty ND lost by 30+ 5 times. Davie only let it happen once and in the previous 40 years it happened 3 other times.
All I'm trying to say is the Supposed-Weis worship is merely conjecture that is being projected. ND sucks this year. And all the ND fans I know are looking at how to fix it and why it's happening. Does Weis need another year or two to adjust to college or to running an entire team? Is Weis the problem and or correct solution? And I just feel like the constant berating of a college team and people who follow the team is uncalled for, childish and annoying.
