G. Keenan wrote:
I didn't know there were videos. I'm not saying dog fighting isn't disgusting. If the charges are true he should go to jail. Also, it looks like he was trying to set up a dog fighting business or something, which is just obscene.
I just think that wanting him torn limb from limb is an overreaction.
They had a segment on SportsCenter this summer where they showed clips, and they had an undercover agent who was stating that Vick is huge in the underground dogfighting business, and has been for year. Additionally, dozens of NFL players are really into it.
OK, maybe we're overreacting, but I think it's sick that he and his buddies ENJOY doing this, and probably sit around laughing as they kill these dogs in increasingly sick and inhumane manners. It's as if they have no moral compass whatsoever.
G. Keenan wrote:
I didn't know there were videos. I'm not saying dog fighting isn't disgusting. If the charges are true he should go to jail. Also, it looks like he was trying to set up a dog fighting business or something, which is just obscene.
I just think that wanting him torn limb from limb is an overreaction.
They had a segment on SportsCenter this summer where they showed clips, and they had an undercover agent who was stating that Vick is huge in the underground dogfighting business, and has been for year. Additionally, dozens of NFL players are really into it.
OK, maybe we're overreacting, but I think it's sick that he and his buddies ENJOY doing this, and probably sit around laughing as they kill these dogs in increasingly sick and inhumane manners. It's as if they have no moral compass whatsoever.
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It definitely is sick. Perverse even. Vick should go to jail for a long time if he's guilty, which he probably is.
G. Keenan wrote:I'm not condoning dog fighting. I think it's disgusting, but I think the outrage over this is a bit odd. It's not like he shot up a school or something. We do all kinds of inhumane things to animals, it's just that dogs are an animal we like to keep as pets, so inhumane treatment of them is unconscionable.
There is also a cultural element at work here. Dog fighting is something of an underground sport in poor, predominantly black, urban communities. In Spain and Portugal they ritually kill bulls by stabbing them with dozens of swords until they bleed to death for entertainment, yet that is considered high culture. In much of the world [expletive] fighting is a sport with great cultural symbolism.
dude, i can't condone killing animals for any reason (food, clothing, etc), and i won't. but, that doesn't mean there aren't levels of "badness" to this.
killing an animal so you can eat it < killing an animal so you can have a nice purse < killing an animal for no good reason < killing an animal in a cruel manner for no good reason
the scale i measure it on is respect. you gotta treat these animals with respect, even if you intend to eat them. inhumane treatment of a living animal is to me much much worse eating an animal. and cruelty for the sake of "sport" is just inexcusable.
Why is it that NFL players as a specific group are attracted to this? Is it because they themselves have been constantly driven most of their lives by coaches to become viscious, strong, and relentless out on the field, and they get some form of pleasure by flipping the tables and training dogs to do the same?
Why is it that NFL players as a specific group are attracted to this? Is it because they themselves have been constantly driven most of their lives by coaches to become viscious, strong, and relentless out on the field, and they get some form of pleasure by flipping the tables and training dogs to do the same?
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Football is pretty much a blood sport. I dunno. I think it's more that dog fighting is practiced where some of these players grow up and they continue to practice it when they get rich. It's very much associated with gambling, so having more money to spend would be tempting.
G. Keenan wrote:
I just think that wanting him torn limb from limb is an overreaction.
i don't. i hope the rest of his life is horrible.
i've seen some of the videos and they make me sick to my stomach..
michael vick is the absolute scum of the earth. and it's not like dog
fighting is the only thing he's ever done that was wrong.. there's a list
a mile long to prove what a waste of a human being he is..
