Our financial system is crumbling this week.

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haltz wrote:
Popeye_Card wrote:I'm a bit scared of the meat too. Doesn't appear to be cooled very well.
I haven't had a problem with it. The produce is hit and miss, but I just don't buy stuff that looks bad.

Their beer selection is pretty good for such a small shop.
They do have a good beer selection. I'll have to stop in again to see if I'm imagining the smell or if it's gone. But tonight is the Cod & Cask Festival at the Tap Room so that's where I'll do tonight's drinking.

Yum. Fried cod and beer.

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lukethedrifter wrote:
haltz wrote:
Popeye_Card wrote:I'm a bit scared of the meat too. Doesn't appear to be cooled very well.
I haven't had a problem with it. The produce is hit and miss, but I just don't buy stuff that looks bad.

Their beer selection is pretty good for such a small shop.
They do have a good beer selection. I'll have to stop in again to see if I'm imagining the smell or if it's gone. But tonight is the Cod & Cask Festival at the Tap Room so that's where I'll do tonight's drinking.

Yum. Fried cod and beer.
That's on tomorrow's checklist for me, before the Blues game.

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http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/07/ ... index.html

The majority of that sounds like worthy programs. What's left besides the tax cuts?

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Good quote:

Montek Ahluwalia, deputy chairman of India’s planning commission, made the following remark at the recent Davos Forum:

"Confidence grows at the rate a coconut tree grows. It falls at the rate a coconut falls."

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Op-Ed Columnist
The Destructive Center
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: February 8, 2009
What do you call someone who eliminates hundreds of thousands of American jobs, deprives millions of adequate health care and nutrition, undermines schools, but offers a $15,000 bonus to affluent people who flip their houses?

A proud centrist. For that is what the senators who ended up calling the tune on the stimulus bill just accomplished.

Even if the original Obama plan — around $800 billion in stimulus, with a substantial fraction of that total given over to ineffective tax cuts — had been enacted, it wouldn’t have been enough to fill the looming hole in the U.S. economy, which the Congressional Budget Office estimates will amount to $2.9 trillion over the next three years.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/09/opini ... .html?_r=2

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The government may force General Motors and Chrysler into bankruptcy to assure the taxpayers get back their $17.4 billion in bailout loans.

The car companies, of course, say such a move would destroy them.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/0 ... 65100.html

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Jocephus wrote:
Op-Ed Columnist
The Destructive Center
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: February 8, 2009
What do you call someone who eliminates hundreds of thousands of American jobs, deprives millions of adequate health care and nutrition, undermines schools, but offers a $15,000 bonus to affluent people who flip their houses?

A proud centrist. For that is what the senators who ended up calling the tune on the stimulus bill just accomplished.

Even if the original Obama plan — around $800 billion in stimulus, with a substantial fraction of that total given over to ineffective tax cuts — had been enacted, it wouldn’t have been enough to fill the looming hole in the U.S. economy, which the Congressional Budget Office estimates will amount to $2.9 trillion over the next three years
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/09/opini ... .html?_r=2
From the same op-ed:

"So Mr. Obama was reduced to bargaining for the votes of those centrists. And the centrists, predictably, extracted a pound of flesh — not, as far as anyone can tell, based on any coherent economic argument, but simply to demonstrate their centrist mojo. They probably would have demanded that $100 billion or so be cut from anything Mr. Obama proposed; by coming in with such a low initial bid, the president guaranteed that the final deal would be much too small."

In the Washington Post today, one of the centrists, Arlen Specter, writes his own op-ed esstentially confirming that this is exactly what happened:

"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says the proposed cuts "do violence to what we are trying to do for the future," especially on education. Her objections are a warning to conservatives that more cuts would be unlikely to win House approval. They are also an admission of the high price that moderates have been able to extract for their support of stimulus legislation."

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Can someone remind me what TARP stands for? And how is it, or is it, different than this "stimulus package"?

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KyCardinalFan wrote:Can someone remind me what TARP stands for? And how is it, or is it, different than this "stimulus package"?
It stands for "Troubled Asset Relief Program" and is the bailout for banks. It's completely seperate from the stimulus package.

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TARP is government loans to lending institutions so they'd lend us money again. So it was basically the government allowing the companies that screwed the economy to serve as middlemen for a bunch of loans to ourselves because it seemed less socialistic than cutting them out and just nationalizing the banks.

The stimulus package is mostly tax cuts with some additional spending on education, alternative energy development, and infrastructure projects.

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