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PujolJunkie wrote:Not so hypothetical. There are countless people who are completely unsure of what the rules behind interracial relationships are who are dedicated to the Christian faith. It takes a simple search or asking around. And if you can't answer "No, I wouldn't support that" to such a deadpan question, then that honestly leads me to question your judgment. Sorry. That shouldn't be a question that requires higher thinking. I don't know how anyone could say that they're unable to make a commitment to that question, no matter how hypothetical. I have no problem following the word of God, but if it was to extend to racial boundaries, I can't see how anybody couldn't distance themselves from that one belief without being a bigot.
You're going to question my judgment no matter what I say. That's what you're trying to do in the first place. Am I against racial bigotry? Without a doubt. There's no question I am, and I fight against it a lot. But I don't play hypothetical questions like that with the Bible. I have a problem in doing so with any subject.
PujolJunkie wrote:No? Says who? There are many a line in the Bible that could be construed as a possible condemnation of race relations. Just as there are lines in the Bible that could be associated with characters in the Bible being homosexual. Can you really say that there is no scriptural basis for that? Who can clarify? It's to be determined by personal perception.
Again, from what I can gather, there is no scriptural basis for being against inter-racial relationships. I would argue that the church I attend is one of the most strict interpreters of the Bible, and we have a number of inter-racial couples in our congregation. Those couples are welcomed as much as anyone else.
PujolJunkie wrote:Homosexual marriage isn't a societal issue? Really?
You really like to try and pick fights with things I say, don't you?

I never said homosexual marriage wasn't a societal issue, did I? I said that your argument in support was based on societal reasons not Biblical. You said "I hold that standard because if so many didn't find for that belief years ago, my girlfriend and I wouldn't be allowed to hold hands in public." That's what I was referring to.
PujolJunkie wrote:I'm sorry. I cannot argue against something so widely condemned as gay marriage when the same people who champion the fact that because two people are different, that bars them from having the same rights as those who are perceived as normal when I am in the same exact situation and the only true difference is that my relationship isn't so clearly condemned in the Bible. All it takes is one person's perception to put me in the same position.
That's your right, just as I have the right to believe in what I believe. It's also my right not to follow any one person's perception. I do all I can to refer to scripture.
PujolJunkie wrote:And even if you wanted to take it in another direction, my girlfriend is an Agnostic. So does that mean because we are of different creed that we can't marry, either?
Nope.

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BW23 do you believe in evolution or dinosaurs?

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I have too many questions about some things to give much of an answer. I will say that science was my least favorite subject in school, and that hasn't changed. I've heard some arguments against some proponents of evolution that makes sense. And yeah, I guess I do believe in dinosaurs. But again, I haven't studied much of any of this, but it's something I'd like to do.

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I think we need to separate the religious and civil definitions of "marriage". I could see some for the civil rights of gays but against allowing them to marry because of their religion (I would assume those people support civil unions). Are we just arguing about semantics here?

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For me it's semantics. I'm Christian and am in favor of civil unions and all the rights inherent to marriage, I just prefer that it not be called "Marriage".

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bw...i just want to say...we dont agree on much (outside of baseball stuff)...but i do appreciate your opinions and respect that you keep coming back even though you've had to handle a lot of these questions "by yourself"

ok...back to the debatin'!

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jocephus...you're wrong a lot, but I respect that, too. ;)

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BW23 wrote:jocephus...you're wrong a lot, but I respect that, too. ;)

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Jocephus wrote:bw...i just want to say...we dont agree on much (outside of baseball stuff)...but i do appreciate your opinions and respect that you keep coming back even though you've had to handle a lot of these questions "by yourself"

ok...back to the debatin'!
Agreed. No matter the radical differences or extreme disagreements, I do respect the fact that BW doesn't flake out on a debate. He stands up for himself, which is admirable and I do respect that.

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Back to the main thread - I can't think of any reason for a constitution to ban anything - whether it be gay marriage, abortion, flag-burning, or alcohol. Constitutions are for defining and ensuring what rights we ARE entitled to - not which ones we aren't.

Prohibitions and bans are not constitutional matters.

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