Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin

[BW23]

"tremendous turmoil", "people are frightened", "these are very, very difficult times"...John McCain.

"I wouldn't run into a single person that thought our economy was doing well unless I ran into John McCain"...Joe Biden.


Yeah, the McCain camp is the only one distorting things that are said.

[Freed Roger]

I always have to laugh at yahoos who think the White House is responsible for fiscal good times. I guess it never occurred to anyone that we had 41 consecutive quarters of economic growth, which ended only when the Democrats took over Congress. Since then, we have had eight or nine (can't remember exactly) quarters of economic shrinkage.

The fact (sorry, socialists, I hate to use that word with you) is that the president and Congress have very little to do with economic success or failure. They mostly can screw up the economy, as the radicals such as Pelosi and Reid have, by tying up the free market.

Obama, of course, blames Bush, which is standard socialist hogwash.

If you're not as well off as you were eight years ago, stop whining that the bad old president hasn't taken care of me (waaaah!) and look in the mirror.

True, people do give the govt too much blame or credit for the economy. i.e. dot com boom caused the famed Clinton surplus, not Clinton. The economy is cyclical and govt should stay the hell away, except in extreme circumstances - like a depression or deep recession. But over the last 8 years the govt hasn't stayed the hell away - they've sent billions of our tax dollars to Iraq. They've sent out rebate checks twice -which is kind of like giving a kid a candy bar and mt dew for breakfast - a short buzz followed by a crash later.

I'd say the interest rates were meddled with by Bush admin, even though Greenspan and successor made the call. And they gave us these tax cuts while they increased govt spending. How are we supposed to believe Iraq was worth it, when its obviously not worth paying taxes for?

My problem is - all the govt incentives to get an economy going - like tax cuts and lower interest rates were used up and wasted by the Bush administration. Wasted in Iraq and tax give-aways to upper class people that could afford the taxes. Now there are no incentives left to give, without increasing the already large deficit.
Some day we will pay.

[UK]

"tremendous turmoil", "people are frightened", "these are very, very difficult times"...John McCain.

"I wouldn't run into a single person that thought our economy was doing well unless I ran into John McCain"...Joe Biden.


Yeah, the McCain camp is the only one distorting things that are said.

No, the fundamentals are not strong.

This isn't a case where consumer confidence is dragging the market, the market is dragging consumer confidence.

[BW23]

"tremendous turmoil", "people are frightened", "these are very, very difficult times"...John McCain.

"I wouldn't run into a single person that thought our economy was doing well unless I ran into John McCain"...Joe Biden.


Yeah, the McCain camp is the only one distorting things that are said.

No, the fundamentals are not strong.

This isn't a case where consumer confidence is dragging the market, the market is dragging consumer confidence.

I'm not saying that what McCain said about the fundamentals is wrong. But it's not the same as saying that he thinks the economy is doing well. I doubt I'll get much of a chance to follow a lot of what's being said by either side today. It's just turning out to be a typical Monday. But McCain and Palin haven't done the greatest job so far today. I haven't heard much from the other side at all other than the Biden clip that was posted. And I don't see myself having time for a few hours now.

[Jocephus]

"tremendous turmoil", "people are frightened", "these are very, very difficult times"...John McCain.

"I wouldn't run into a single person that thought our economy was doing well unless I ran into John McCain"...Joe Biden.


Yeah, the McCain camp is the only one distorting things that are said.

he still said the fundamentals of the economy are strong...

[UK]

"tremendous turmoil", "people are frightened", "these are very, very difficult times"...John McCain.

"I wouldn't run into a single person that thought our economy was doing well unless I ran into John McCain"...Joe Biden.


Yeah, the McCain camp is the only one distorting things that are said.

No, the fundamentals are not strong.

This isn't a case where consumer confidence is dragging the market, the market is dragging consumer confidence.

I'm not saying that what McCain said about the fundamentals is wrong. But it's not the same as saying that he thinks the economy is doing well. I doubt I'll get much of a chance to follow a lot of what's being said by either side today. It's just turning out to be a typical Monday. But McCain and Palin haven't done the greatest job so far today. I haven't heard much from the other side at all other than the Biden clip that was posted. And I don't see myself having time for a few hours now.

By him saying that the fundamentals are strong does make me question whether or not he'll address those issues that I mentioned earlier (housing market/energy). It's obvious to me that Obama/Biden are overstating the republican role for this mess and just as obvious that McCain/Palin are trying to avoid the real issues and stick to less gov't spending/tax structure rather than the fundamentals.

[BW23]

Guess we're screwed either way.

[jimedmondsfan]

McCain SUPPORTS gun locks being sold with guns and wants stronger laws on gun shows.
I found that out in the first 2 sites I checked in a search,who's telling things that aren't true?

That's crap. OntheIssues.com has the exact opposite of that opinion up. Just an example of how nobody can peg McCain's issue down. Is he for or against Bush's tax cuts? For or against immigration reform? For or against gun locks? Who knows?

I'm against pumping more money into the Dept of Ed.

...against pumping more money into the Dpt of Ed? Wow. That's a wonderful thing to say. Screw properly funding the future of children.

Each school district has property taxes that fund their schools and each state funds each school district and the federal government funds each district. Maybe if they went back to teaching Math Science etc. instead of sex ed, Dare, Great, Teriffic Kids, etc. they would have decent buildings, and could read when they graduate from HS.

I'm against most forms of welfare (particularly making those who work hard pay for those who don't). Opportunities are there for almost anyone that wants it.

Yeah, you're right. A mother of 2 young children who is on the brink of having her house foreclosed on and can't find a job because it'd mean leaving her kids at home alone doesn't deserve government handouts. Do you know how many cases there are LIKE that? "Screw people who need help. Let them pull themselves up by their own boot straps." And who is the elitist party?

Some people need help. We should help those who need a little help to get back on their feet when times get tough. We should NOT be funding multi-generational families on welfare who never learn a work ethic because they are taught to depend on the Government to support them their entire life.

Giving criminals a second chance? We're talking about the death penalty. Do you mean a second chance to kill? Let's kill babies but let the worst of the worst have "a second chance"? Nah. Not my style.

Once again, here comes the abortion issue. Keep reverting to that every time something comes up. "I'm pro-life, except for people who do bad things. [expletive] them, they can die." You're not pro-life. You're pro-baby-life. Typical mind frame "Before you're born, protect your life. After your born, [expletive] your welfare, screw you if you don't make more than 250k and sorry, you want a superior education? Better get some vouchers, there, kid!

With all of the "problems" Obama wants to "fix", where's that money coming from? Just the rich? I doubt it. And if so, that's stupid, too.

Under John McCain's tax plan, people making 226,000 to 603,000, 603,000 to 2.87 million and 2.87 million and up will get a combined tax cut of 322,000 dollars. With those making over 2.87 million getting an average cut of 269,000 dollars.

Obama wants to raise the taxes of anyone making 603,000 to 2.87 by 8% and anyone making over 2.87 million by 11.5%

That's not gonna bring in a TON of revenue?

Economics have proven over and over that reducing taxes and putting more money into the pockets of people who create jobs, actually puts more revenue into the Treasury because by creating jobs, they create MORE people working and more people paying.

Obama favors gun manufactures being sued. McCain doesn't. That's part of the gun control problem for me, but this is a very small issue on my list.

Personal responsibility for women who get pregnant, but not the gun manufactures who sell their guns to people who sell them to murderers.

If I sold a gun to a person and they sold it to a man who went out and killed 6 people, I'd feel responsible. I guess the gun manufactures aren't supposed to.

So if you bought a set of steak knives and loaned one out to your neighbor and he stabbed your other neighbor, you think you should go to jail for that murder??? Or the wife of the neighbor who was killed should get your house????

[BW23]

I don't pretend to understand everything about the economy. I guess I've had more than enough to deal with on some other fronts in the last couple of years to be able to pay attention like I should have.

Let me ask this. (And this is completely non-political in terms of partisanship.)

I know that some regulations have been placed on student loan lenders so that the government can squeeze private lenders and direct more students to federal loans. This has really hurt consumers, IMO. I don't know if it was Republicans or Dems that were mostly behind this, if not both, but it's resulting in much higher loan payments by students, payments much higher and at much higher interest rates than what these students thought they were getting into when they got most of these loans.

Have similar regulations happened in the housing and overall lending market as well? Look, I'm not taking away blame from the housing or lending market. There's plenty of blame there. But what are the main causes that have the bottom falling out like it is now?

Thanks.

[jimedmondsfan]

If you get rid of the guns then knife violence will go through the roof,it's an epidemic in England now. People are going to kill people,it's a fact of life. Don't try taking away my means of defending myself,because we all know that Democrats want nothing more than to get all the guns.

I don't think that the result would be increased knife violence. I think the result would be more illegal, concealed guns...You know, the whole "If you make guns illegal only criminals will have guns" thing?

England and Australia both outlawed guns several years ago, now they have more murders by knife because the guns are all locked up in a Government office.