clement wrote: "Who cares if people abuse the system? Is it more important to catch the abusers than it is to make sure that the people who really need it get the assistance? Sure there is waste, but I'm not suffering from it. So I pay a little more in taxes, but I'm happier knowing that people who need the assistance will get it rather than worrying about the people who don't need it taking advantage of it."
That's pretty much how I feel. Please, raise my taxes if you can give health care to someone who needs it.
++ I love that. I'll take the extra taxes and stop eating meat if it means people who need it get care.
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jim wrote:Obama needs to get back to what got him here.. It's the war dummy.
Iraq has cost almost 2x American lives as did 9/11, and has been a tad on the expensive side. In addition, the situtation in Afghanistan was never shored up and is now very problematic. And God help us if we need to do something in Georgia, with 140,000 + in Iraq we kind of left ourselves vulnerable imo.
Obama needs to hammer this point home.
People are blindsided by the surge rather than the lack of judgement by the US gov't as w hole and the lack of vision towards rebuilding Iraq.
Right now, he has to hammer the economy.
Well the war spending has been hampering our economy, so I think he could drive both nails into the coffin if he wanted to.
After Pearl Harbor: Save! Ration!
After 9/11: Spend! Do your part to help the economy!
jim wrote:Obama needs to get back to what got him here.. It's the war dummy.
Iraq has cost almost 2x American lives as did 9/11, and has been a tad on the expensive side. In addition, the situtation in Afghanistan was never shored up and is now very problematic. And God help us if we need to do something in Georgia, with 140,000 + in Iraq we kind of left ourselves vulnerable imo.
Obama needs to hammer this point home.
People are blindsided by the surge rather than the lack of judgement by the US gov't as w hole and the lack of vision towards rebuilding Iraq.
Right now, he has to hammer the economy.
Well the war spending has been hampering our economy, so I think he could drive both nails into the coffin if he wanted to.
After Pearl Harbor: Save! Ration!
After 9/11: Spend! Do your part to help the economy!
(scratches head)
Why give McCain an opportunity to bring up patriotism and the surge?
Earmarks/Pork and Barrel isn't going to answer why the economy is in the toilet. Cyclical natures of the economy ain't going to fly and neither is trying to separate himself from Bush.
Mentioning Iraq gives McCain an avenue to avoid the topic.
TimeForGuinness wrote:Really, you can trace the economic impact back to Greenspan and his low interest rates which spawned the tech and housing bubble.
Presidents have nothing to do with that.
Of course not, economic periods are cyclical and dependent on the steps taken to repair the economy and the innovations of new technology (energy is next ).
As far as the housing bubble, obviously the wild frontier business practices of the lenders and the lack of gov't regulation is extremely responsible as well.
TimeForGuinness wrote:Really, you can trace the economic impact back to Greenspan and his low interest rates which spawned the tech and housing bubble.
Presidents have nothing to do with that.
Of course not, economic periods are cyclical and dependent on the steps taken to repair the economy and the innovations of new technology (energy is next ).
As far as the housing bubble, obviously the wild frontier business practices of the lenders and the lack of gov't regulation is extremely responsible as well.
yup...gotta love it.
Energy was always (and always will be) the next frontier...with the increase in human population around the globe, it was only a matter of time before the "green" revolution hit. (clean air, water, energy, etc...)
...the problem was getting technology and human thinking to catch up to the ideas.
fanforever wrote:I always have to laugh at yahoos who think the White House is responsible for fiscal good times. I guess it never occurred to anyone that we had 41 consecutive quarters of economic growth, which ended only when the Democrats took over Congress. Since then, we have had eight or nine (can't remember exactly) quarters of economic shrinkage.
The fact (sorry, socialists, I hate to use that word with you) is that the president and Congress have very little to do with economic success or failure. They mostly can screw up the economy, as the radicals such as Pelosi and Reid have, by tying up the free market.
Obama, of course, blames Bush, which is standard socialist hogwash.
If you're not as well off as you were eight years ago, stop whining that the bad old president hasn't taken care of me (waaaah!) and look in the mirror.
The bottom was going to fall out no matter who was in congress...
I am frustrated that McCain fails to see the serious nature of the economy while someone like Greenspan is on TV yesterday stating this is the worst economy he's ever seen.
Obama needs to focus on fixing rather comparing the last 8 years and McCain needs to get his head out of his ass by hoping the issue will go away and be fixed by BS pork and barrel promises.
The economy needs the housing market to stabilize before anything else, it would benefit the country greatly to do that along with the energy that I mentioned earlier.
