A scoring dilemma arose in Springer’s inning Thursday. With a runner at first base, Dodgers’ rookie Andy LaRoche tagged a liner to second baseman Edgar Gonzalez. The runner strayed from first as Gonzalez caught the dart. An easy double play was being offered until Gonzalez bounced the throw aggressively to first base. That allowed the runner to advance to second base.
It was ruled an error, naturally.
The run came around to score and here was the scoring quandary. Is the run earned? One school of thought is that the run is earned because a single and double followed the lineout and therefore the runner would have scored from first regardless of the the throw. A competing school suggests that the runner never should have been given the chance to advance at all — he was toast at first base with a good throw.
That would make it an unearned run because the runner, in effect, was out on the double-play liner.
Thoughts?
You can't assume the double play, right? So there shouldn't have been an error and the run should be earned...
Or does that "can't assume a double play" only come into play on a ground ball double force play (like your standard 6-4-3)?
stretch wrote:There has to be an error because the runner advanced a base.
Ah. Yep. Shoulda realized that.
I agree with you then... should be unearned.
This is an error and an unearned run. The pitcher did his job by getting the "tailor-made" double-play and that's a play you expect a high school 2B to make. If it was the same hit only on the left side that's not an expected double-play, and if the runner advances then it's an error. But because of the following hits it would be an EARNED run.
Not sure what the rulebook states, but those are my thoughts.
No error shall be charged against any fielder when he makes a wild throw in attempting to complete a double play or triple play, unless such wild throw enables any runner to advance beyond the base he would have reached had the throw not been wild.
The rule does not differentiate between conventional groundball double plays and line-drive double plays.
In this case, the error is not charged because of the failure to get the runner out, but is charged because it allowed the advance of the runner. In reconstructing the inning, the runner would have scored even if he had not advanced on the error, so the run is earned.
A scoring dilemma arose in Springer’s inning Thursday. With a runner at first base, Dodgers’ rookie Andy LaRoche tagged a liner to second baseman Edgar Gonzalez. The runner strayed from first as Gonzalez caught the dart. An easy double play was being offered until Gonzalez bounced the throw aggressively to first base. That allowed the runner to advance to second base.
It was ruled an error, naturally.
The run came around to score and here was the scoring quandary. Is the run earned? One school of thought is that the run is earned because a single and double followed the lineout and therefore the runner would have scored from first regardless of the the throw. A competing school suggests that the runner never should have been given the chance to advance at all — he was toast at first base with a good throw.
That would make it an unearned run because the runner, in effect, was out on the double-play liner.
Thoughts?
You can't assume the double play, right? So there shouldn't have been an error and the run should be earned...
Or does that "can't assume a double play" only come into play on a ground ball double force play (like your standard 6-4-3)?
No error shall be charged against any fielder when he makes a wild throw in attempting to complete a double play or triple play, unless such wild throw enables any runner to advance beyond the base he would have reached had the throw not been wild.
The rule does not differentiate between conventional groundball double plays and line-drive double plays.
In this case, the error is not charged because of the failure to get the runner out, but is charged because it allowed the advance of the runner. In reconstructing the inning, the runner would have scored even if he had not advanced on the error, so the run is earned.
