Mozeliak: "Some Changes" Coming For Cardinals, But Not A Rebuild

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July 28 23, 2:20 pm
The best not trade gorman
I’ll say it again: Gorman is having one of the best overlooked seasons in the majors so far this season.
1. He’s only one of nine MLB hitters that has a profile that features 22 or more homers, 65 or more RBIs, 15 or more doubles and a minimum .503 slugging percentage and 123 OPS+.
2. The other eight with that statistical combination are Shohei Ohtani, Mookie Betts, Nolan Arenado, Matt Olson, Adolis Garcia, Rafael Devers, J.D. Martinez and Christian Walker. The average age of the eight players is 30.3 years old. Gorman is seven years younger than that average.
3. Gorman has competed in 181 MLB regular-season games in his early MLB career. The other eight hitters in that reference group have averaged 943 career regular-season games.
4. Gorman is the only hitter in the majors this season, age 23 years or younger, that has the combination of 15+ doubles, 22+ homers, 65+ RBI, a slug of .500 or higher and an OPS+ of 123 or higher.
5. Among the 2023 Cardinals, Gorman is tied with Arenado for the club lead in homers, is second to Arenado in RBI, and is third in OPS (.828), slugging, OPS+, and total bases. Gorman, in effect, is standing with Arenado and Paul Goldschmidt on the leaderboard.

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cardsfantx wrote: ↑
July 28 23, 2:20 pm
The best not trade gorman
The same reasons we don't want to trade him are the reasons he's the guy that could bring back controllable pitching, and there are about 6 guys on this team that can or do play 2B/3B and DH. But I get it. It would be hard to watch him hit 40 HR for another team - these are the tough decisions they need to make.

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You keep that unless your getting Otani back. Gorman needs to stay right here.

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haltz wrote: ↑
July 28 23, 2:24 pm
cardsfantx wrote: ↑
July 28 23, 2:20 pm
The best not trade gorman
The same reasons we don't want to trade him are the reasons he's the guy that could bring back controllable pitching, and there are about 6 guys on this team that can or do play 2B/3B and DH. But I get it. It would be hard to watch him hit 40 HR for another team - these are the tough decisions they need to make.
I’d rather just not have the pitching and keep Gorman. He’s going to be a superstar/one of the best players in all of baseball. And yes, dmarx can quote me on this.

And we can sign snell and nola

I used to be meh on our payroll, but it’s time to start spending on pitching

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Joe Shlabotnik wrote: ↑
July 28 23, 2:25 pm
You keep that unless your getting Otani back. Gorman needs to stay right here.
But I mean ohtani is a FA and we’re not winning this year? I’m not trading for ohtani

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I agree about Gorman. If you want cost-controlled pitching, trade Goldy. Gorman is a keeper.

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I wouldn't trade a cold cut combo for Otani. He's gone at the end of the year anyway. Probably a Dodger.
And I think Gorman is a lot better than a cold cut combo. A spicy italian on the other hand...

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Don’t trade Gorman when you can buy pitching in the offseason. (Theoretically)

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Socnorb11 wrote: ↑
July 28 23, 2:36 pm
I agree about Gorman. If you want cost-controlled pitching, trade Goldy. Gorman is a keeper.
yup. Goldy and Arenado before Gorman or Donovan in my book. Donovan is a bit irrational but I just love watching him play.

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cardsfantx wrote: ↑
July 28 23, 2:29 pm
Joe Shlabotnik wrote: ↑
July 28 23, 2:25 pm
You keep that unless your getting Otani back. Gorman needs to stay right here.
But I mean ohtani is a FA and we’re not winning this year? I’m not trading for ohtani
Leroy wrote: ↑
July 28 23, 2:40 pm
I wouldn't trade a cold cut combo for Otani. He's gone at the end of the year anyway. Probably a Dodger.
And I think Gorman is a lot better than a cold cut combo. A spicy italian on the other hand...
Exactly my point. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

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